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And you've been explained to many times he is trying to calm the situation down and avoid chaos in his country as that is exactly what Russia want. This was weeks ago. The situation has firther evolved and escalated since then . All other evidence and action from all sides points to the contrary to your one quote you obsess over.

Even when the tanks are rolling in you're still going to be posting that quote like Nero playing the fiddle .

At some point boards and other sites will have to start putting 2 and 2 together on propaganda origins and remove the propagator accounts en masse. It actually doesn't add anything to the sites at all, it's really removes from the sites entirely. Ultimately killing overall traffic for what might be a short term peak for back and forth clashes.

But it diminishes the overall quality and experience.

Its not even amusing anymore.

The Germans are not stupid, they know what the Americans are up to here.

The question is, can they reign in the irresponsible rhetoric and turn the tide around? All of us here in Europe need to hope that they can.

That's the narrative being put out in the American and British media is it😂😂😂 sure he may have said that but he didn't mean anything he said, he's just trying to calm the situation down, don't listen to anyone else listen to us.

This is a prime example of someone who has been brainwashed, people like this can't believe a word the Ukrainians or anyone else says, they only believe what they hear from the US intelligence services and British and American media.

As I was saying earlier...more name calling.

If a country facilities illegal invasions, extra ordinary rendition, torture and mass killing through the use of its infrastructure then it cannot claim to be militarily neutral....

Of course the Ukrainians are acknowledging all of that as they have been doing for the last several years, including when similar amount of troops were there in spiring last year and all the years previous, the Ukrainians are simply stating that the recent exaggerations, panic and fear has been created by US intelligence for their own benefit. The Ukrainian president has repeatedly stated the situation now is no worse than before and has asked the Americans numerous times stop creating panic over the situation.

They haven't had an argument for one hundred pages. At this stage it's just deflection, whattaboutery, strawman and insulting posters. When that fails, you will get some satirical clowning, then one of them will quote a post from ten pages ago out of context and repeat some talking point about the murderous us in Iraq. Anything to not talk about the Russian occupation of Ukraine. Rinse and repeat.

Is that a threat?

The same thing that has been going on for the last several years in Donbas, I'm simply stating the Ukrainian government have said the situation now is no worse than before and they have consistently claimed that the recent fear and panic created over the situation in the last few months has come from the USA and is not the reality.

I don't know the exact reasons why they are doing this but the Ukrainian president claimed "This is speculation, but the US might still try to undermine the Nord Stream project, the pipeline between Russia and Germany, there is a very clear economic interest – there are gas producers in the US who are direct competitors with Russia"

You believe the Americans I believe the Ukrainians, we will have to agree to disagree.

@Shao Kahn @BluePlanet @MFPM @Harryd225

Can't believe I'm quoting myself but I'd love to hear your opinion on the Budapest Memorandum mentioned above.

Ukrainian citizens are behind that, at least half of Donbas wants nothing to do with Ukraine and wants to join Russia, the people of Donbas have been fighting a war to break away from Ukraine and join Russia, Russia has given them some support such as supplying weapons to help them but they still don't recognize the self declared independent Republic of Donbas and still recognise it as part of Ukraine.

Yeah that's like the people of Cork taking up arms to break away from Ireland. Because they used to prefer the name queenstown.

Its nonsense, you know it. I know it. We all know it. So why the theatrics.... Why. Pass the time?

Here's the fake "neutral" bot. Fake "neutral" bots are an integral part of the Russian disinformation technique.

The Ukranian citizens are behind it.... You just said I believe the Americans and you believe the Ukranians. But the Ukranians just said they are nothing to do with any of that and the Russians are responsible. So whos telling the truth?

So in the space of a few days we have;

Russian troops surrounding Ukraine, Cyberattacks on Ukraine, Russias parliament conveniently and suddenly recognising the Donbas as a legitimate independent Republic, followed by claims of genocide by Ukranians, followed by a massive increase in firing and shelling in the region, evacuation of all citizens, a mysterious car bomb, claims of an attempted chemical attack. All of these the Ukranians have confirmed and acknowledged, as well as rejecting responsibility and blaming on Russia.

So whats going on here Harry? mUriCa?