Sacked doctor sues former employer for refusing to call trans-woman "she"

So science says a man is a man and a woman is a woman. My beliefs say I'm a brick.

I've no problem with science. Asking me to contradict science would be accepting a lie. As a Christian I won't do that.

He was sacked because he wouldn't call a man a woman. Not because he wouldn't treat the patient.

As for you saying as a Christian he shouldn't be a doctor. What do you believe he should work at? Perhaps a cleaner. But don't worry, society is heading there. You'll be grand.

I’ll say it straight out - I don’t believe you have any sort of theological qualifications whatsoever.

Now, that’s besides the point as regards this particular case which involves a medical professional, not a scientist, claiming they are being discriminated against because of their religion, religious belief, scientific truth, freedom of thought, conscience or belief, the usual list of utter nonsense in order to claim he’s the victim because he doesn’t want to fulfil the requirements of the role he was training for.

This was the whole purpose of training. He was not being compelled against his will to do anything. He was asked if he would use the person’s preferred pronouns, and he retorted with a question about how his faith means he should not be forced to address a 6ft bearded man as madam.

He simply rendered himself unsuitable for the position. There is nothing prohibiting him from speaking the truth or claiming science and religion support his views, nor is there anything compelling an employer to employ him.

If a doctor is going to put his religious need ahead of a patient, he shouldn't be in the job.

How many of you would be happy to be treated by a Jehvas Witness saying "I'm not giving you a blood transfusion, it's against my religion" or "I'm treating you at all because you're an athiest".

There are plenty of other jobs he could have that don't mean he has to be a cleaner. I didn't say that because he is Christian he can't be a doctor, but if his beliefs prevent him doing the job he is paid to do and he cannot treat people with respect then he needs to do something else.

If your beliefs mean that you cannot be do your job then you need another job. Is it ok for him to refuse to provide contraception because of his religious beliefs?

People lie all the time in their jobs. I don't like some of the people I work with, I am not going to be honest with them, because I am an adult and need to do the job I am paid for.

You can tell yourself whatever you want, personally I couldn’t give a fiddlers.

Are you actually familiar with the specifics of this particular case though?

The role does not require the provision of medical treatment to anyone. The role is to assess claimants for the Department of Work and Pensions. His employers didn’t care for his personal beliefs and didn’t have any interest in his personal beliefs, religious, scientific or otherwise.

It was to protect claimants from his cnutish behaviour that the employer decided to dismiss him, although they’re a bit more civil in how they worded it than I’m required to be -

A DWP spokeswoman said: "We acted to protect claimants from behaviour that would have failed to treat them with dignity, so we welcome this ruling. We expect all assessors to approach their work sensitively."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-49904997.amp

The St. Vincents maternity hospital issue is more concerning. Until that entity is divested of all religious power over what procedures can and cannot be performed there, something is not right.

As for the trans issue, I feel it is a male dominance thing now. Let's call ourselves women and we can work in women's refuges, use their toilets and changing rooms, infiltrate their prisons, out do them at sports, be admitted to female wards in hospitals etc. Why so? Well because we can and are going to do so. Power and control, and quite sinister IMV. Those who are genuinely transgender rarely raise their heads above the parapet, and you rarely hear of transmen having the same issues as transwomen seem to have, for obvious reasons, they just don't have the physical strength of men so stay largely quiet on the matter.

Just look at Stonewall in the UK for example and its infiltration of the NHS and State entities, it is not right, but the pretense of equality has led to an overwhelming debate on behalf of a tiny minority of the world population. Someone is pulling strings somewhere.

In the end there is a simple fact, gender can be chosen, but sex is biological and can never change.

Yes. From the article in the OP:

Don't know about the Forstater case.

Maya Forstater was fired for her beliefs though, I think that's the difference. Where in this case it is the use of those beliefs to cause discomfort or rudeness in the course of your job. She was fired because somebody in the company complained about her beliefs which had no bearing on her job or carrying out her job.

We all bring our morals into every facet of our lives

Asking anyone to leave them at the door is asking for chaos.

As for your analogy about women with beards. We know women an have hormonal issues leading to excessive hair growth. That doesn't make them men.

Asking me to believe a hormonal, physical and biological man is a woman ignores science and moves to the point of madness. Asking normally rational human beings to ignore the facts is no different

You you would deny reality in order to keep up the delusion.

Probably not CW, but regardless of how much they are or aren’t being paid, it would still be unusual in any case for a doctor to be referring to mammary glands in men, unless there was actually a medical issue -

So men come into this world with all the right hardware for the job, but puberty sets dads-to-be down the wrong path for milk production. When a man does lactate (and yes, it happens) it is almost always a symptom of an underlying medical problem (or thanks to injections of estrogen and prolactin, which come with a slew of side effects).

https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/why-men-breastfeed-lactate/amp/