Sacked doctor sues former employer for refusing to call trans-woman "she"

Ave Sodalis

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118630578#Comment_118630578

Vanishing? Are they?

You see, the thing is, since intersex people exist, there is no reason at all to assume transgender doesn't exist. It's astonishing so many people are born exactly the way they're supposed to be. The complexity of the development of a foetus is mind-boggling. There is an incredible amount that could go wrong and that fact that a lot of the time it doesn't is the true mystery. As we learn in basic biology (and in simple terms), we all initially develop female until we get a wash of hormones which either keeps us female or changes our development to male. The idea that something goes wrong at this point is not in any way far fetched. And indeed, there is some promising preliminary insights being made in gene sequencing regarding transgenderism: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338189861_The_Use_of_Whole_Exome_Sequencing_in_a_Cohort_of_Transgender_Individuals_to_Identify_Rare_Genetic_Variants

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118630796#Comment_118630796

They’re tying themselves up in knots really, claiming their beliefs are supported by both science and religion and this justifies their behaviour towards others, when in reality it doesn’t according to law.

That’s notwithstanding the fact that Genesis 1:27 relates the story of how God created man in his own image, and fashioned woman from man in what is the earliest example of human transformation in the Bible.

Southwesterly claims to have no problem believing that though, and no problem believing that practicing medicine does not involve treating people with dignity and respect, as though bad science takes precedence over an obligation to treat people with dignity and respect.

Fortunately, for everyone in society, such people as Southwesterly are only a tiny minority, subject to the same law as everyone else. I detest people who expect everyone should respect their beliefs, which generally consist of treating other people as though they aren’t even human.

feline_charm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118627920#Comment_118627920

No. Obviously.

blanch152

These threads keep coming up time and again.

Every time I just wonder have people forgotten that biological sex and gender are two very different things and neither are binary.

If all sides accepted that, the issue would be over.

joe40

The prefix trans means across from and cis is on the same side. Cis and trans isomers if anyone remembers their leaving cert chemistry.

So trans gender literally means to be opposite to biological gender. If people feel that way what is the problem.

Biological sex for most people is straight forward but gender is totally different. If someone wants to identify as a gender different to their biological gender then it is no problem or concern of mine.

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118627952#Comment_118627952

Says the one who doesn't know the biological differences between a woman and a man.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118627972#Comment_118627972

Ahh you can create penises and vaginas these days.

But you can't create testes and ovaries or mangle X and Y chromosomes into each other.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118628009#Comment_118628009

Ever meet Brick Walsh?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118628138#Comment_118628138

Just one well placed kick and it might give the same effects. 😘

jmayo

I can't wait for this to happen to a muslim doctor and I would bet it is only matter of time.

The progressives daren't label them religious bigots or start laughing at them believing in some religious book.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118628724#Comment_118628724

Lock 'er up for the day, this poster just won the internet.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118631175#Comment_118631175

Doesn't matter what religion a doctor is, it shouldn't affect how they do their job.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118630796#Comment_118630796

That's what Godwin's Law would be.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118630636#Comment_118630636

Who said that? XXY has nothing to do with transgender. It’s intersex.

Starfire20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118631175#Comment_118631175

is this a thinly veiled longing for the times when christians could murder people for disagreeing with their book/religious views?

just because fundamentalist muslims are prone to violence if you criticise their religion, doesn't mean we should go back to that for xtians too.

Faugheen

I find it baffling that someone so selfish and so pig-ignorant would refuse to call a trans-woman 'she'.

Like what impact does it have on your life? To make a mistake and say 'he' by accident is one thing, to actively make a decision to ignore that person's preferences simply because you're such a selfish bastard is another story altogether.

And, of course, right on cue the usual suspects are in here defending it.

Zero impact on your life. A little bit of empathy and respect is clearly too much to ask for some around here.

growleaves

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O040xuq2FR0

Jequ0n

Empathy, empathy, empathy. The most overrated and misused concept today because it is only ever reserved for few.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118631533#Comment_118631533

Actually no, that title belongs to 'woke'.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118631540#Comment_118631540

Probably true.

_Kaiser_

This is really very simple....

You are born male or female (with some very rare exceptions). That's biological fact.

That some people go on to feel that they were born the wrong sex (and optionally start living as that sex) does not change that fact.

It also does not force others to ignore those facts and reality, nor does it make them "wrong" or "-phobic" for not doing so.

Bottom line.. believe what you want to believe, but have no expectations that others will believe with you. The only obligation on them is to be cordial.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118630266#Comment_118630266

I wish! Would love to have her writing skills and imagination. But I do admire the way she is standing up for humans-with-wombs.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118631540#Comment_118631540

Around here, You must mean WOKE 🤣

Green Finers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118631846#Comment_118631846

Why do humans with wombs need to be stood up for? In what way are they being oppressed or discriminated against?

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118631498#Comment_118631498

From here on out I wish to be called Our Lord and Saviour, hopefully no one will be so selfish and pig ignorant to refuse to call me it. What impact will it have on their lives?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118631498#Comment_118631498

I find it baffling that someone so selfish and so pig-ignorant would refuse to call a trans-woman 'she'.

Whereas I find it baffling that people would try to make this move to be something so reasonable. There is no choice involved here. If you refuse to comply, then you are sued, insulted, ostracized, etc.

You see, I could understand if we'd seen a century (or even a few decades) of Transgender rights in the making, where there had been a dedicated effort to reduce the weirdness of attitudes, to make people comfortable with the overall movement, and to reassure people that they're not making unreasonable demands.

But we're not getting any of that. Instead, people are being forced to comply to the demands of activists, and some Trans people. The demand that others recognise, acknowledge, accept completely and utterly that their choices are the correct ones. Perfectly plausible even when science counters it. Yup.

You see, I'm bisexual.. and I'm very grateful for the changes in society that allowed homosexuality to become mainstream, and barely anything to be remarked upon. Sure, there are the occasional stares by some people, a few bigots here or there, but mostly society has accepted homosexuality as being a natural part of humanity. There was an element of forcing social change when it came to homosexuality, but it had been part of society for so long, that it wasn't anything completely alien, nor was it vague in its definition. But at the same time, people didn't need to openly declare that they were accepting of homosexuals... just don't be a dick about it.

Transgenderism is vague. It covers so many facets of human behaviour, and demands that people openly accept it.

I honestly don't get the outrage over not calling a trans-woman "she". He's a biological male who had declared himself to be the same as any biological female, and wants to be called a "she". He may or may not, have undergone surgery or hormonal treatment, but regardless of whether he's physically male, he wants to be called "she"... and everyone should comply. It's forced. Frankly, it's brutal. No introduction. No attempt to educate people, and encourage that they accept Trans people the same as everyone else. Comply with our demands or you will be sued, or discredited... No real interest in encouraging social perspectives to change. Instead, people are bullied into complying with their demands...

Honestly, I think it's the most retarded approach in history. You see, I can remember what it was like to be gay when Ireland was generally anti-homosexuality... and that's going to be the pushback towards trans people, if not worse than that.

Zero impact on your life. A little bit of empathy and respect is clearly too much to ask for some around here.

That really depends on how far this movement goes... and whether our behaviour is criticised when dealing with a Trans person in employment, or whatever. We've already seen the slow creep on places such as boards with it's very pro-trans stance, or even where legislation to proposed to protect trans-beliefs but tends to marginalise everyone else's beliefs.

Because absent scientific support, that a man can become a woman, we're dealing with belief here. Not merely have the physical organs that a woman has, but that he can think, feel... whatever, exactly the same as any biological female. Oh, and their 20-30 years being a male, translates into understanding everything a young or teenage girl might possibly experience. It's utterly bizarre.. and amazing that the logic is even tolerated.

I think a major reason the Trans topic gets so much attention is because we can see it intersecting with our own lives (As a bisexual male, I definitely know it already has). It's not here now, but if we wait until it's here, then it will be too late to object. The subject matter will be protected, the legislation will be in place, and people will have few opportunities to resist it, once it's gained acceptance from our politicians.

Just to add something... If someone born a male, had grown up treated as female, dressed, behaved etc as female, where most of their experiences were through the lens of being female, then, I'd have no issue calling her a she, miss. whatever. However, with many Trans people there is a contradiction at play. They have decades of being male, and suddenly declare themselves to be female, and everyone must play ball? How does that make sense? And yes, I have met a wide variety of Trans people over the years..

There's an effort to describe all Trans people as being the same, and usually the most reasonable one is used... but the truth is that Trans covers a wide range of attempts or commitments towards being male or female... some only making a token gesture, others going as far as they can.. and yet, they're all to be treated the same.. as being their desired sex? It's nuts. And completely unreasonable.

From ‘preferred’ pronouns to ‘compelled’ pronouns, it was only a matter of time. Most people could see the writing on the wall but were gaslit by others saying, ‘it’s your choice whether you choose to use the pronouns or not’.

Compelled speech in any form is the definition of evil. When you compel someone how to speak you invariably compel them how to think, illustrated in this classic episode from TNG.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jk3EsXgXcyQ

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118632613#Comment_118632613

It’s absolutely mental. I can pretend to be a woman tomorrow literally by just signing a form in front of a solicitor and sending it off. Then wham, I’m a woman and anyone that doesn’t bow to it can be branded a bigot etc. It’s absolutely laughable.

DarkJager21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118631498#Comment_118631498

Well…it’s a doctor..in a medical setting…explaining things related to the physiology you have. My bet is it didn’t have any impact on “”her”” life either, probably misunderstood something the doctor said and then decided to bully “”her”” way through the consultation like is common.

Respect is not just given out nor is acceptance, you certainly won’t get either from demanding people to suspend reality and what they believe. I don’t care what you call yourself but don’t dare tell me that I’m compelled to propagate your own delusions lest I lose my job. **** any world that kind of nonsense is acceptable in.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118631175#Comment_118631175

It probably already has. There are a lot of muslim doctors around and chances are they just used the prefered pronouns and got on with the job

SouthWesterly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118632865#Comment_118632865

You have evidence for that sweeping assertion I assume.... Nope, thought not.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118633006#Comment_118633006

Dis a the original poster have evidence for his sweeping assertion?

nope, thought not.

I don't see why people take such a big stand against these people.

If someone asks me to call them Mrs instead of Mr, then grand, I'll do what they ask, makes no difference to me. It's really not going to happen too often, I know 2 transgender people and one of those is a friend of a friend, not someone I see often. It's not difficult to be nice to people.