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The Canada Convoy

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    As far as I know Canada is still rather restrictive regarding flying into the country. One PCR test, not older than 74 or 72 hours? and then another test upon arrival. Endless queues due to testing requirements at Pearson airport upon arrival, making the risk of infection even higher.

    Also then there were issues that they mandated that everyone stays in an overpriced accomodation ( something like $2000 or $3000) for 3 days regardless which country they came from, and wait for test results,- but that has been abolished. But still this is history now, but it made one feel as being a "Persona non Grata" as a Canadian citizen in my own country, also the mandatory hotel stay would have been legally in contravention with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Home isolation and home quarantine yes, but the Charter of Rights and Freedoms can't dictate where this is going to be for a returning citizen.

    The travel restrictions were and are still very unrealistic. The Canadian government should give the freedom back to those who are tripple vaccinated, without any extra forms to fill out, ArriveCan-Apps or tests. Even the UK handled this matter better and lifted restrictions sooner.

    But again, that's mostly gone now, it's history, and it certainly doesn't justify what the truckers are doing.

    I believe that the unvaccinated truckers are very much a small minority, and also these kind of convoys are also the work of some organization close to Donald Trump, QAnon and other conspiracy theory friends and Nazi-Style flags also should have no place in Canada.

    Ultimately, I think Trudeau should bring in the military to have these convoys removed. They are hurting Canada and Canada's economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,347 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    The initial lockdown was not an idiotic decision to make, given the context.

    Subsequent increases in restrictions - hard to know.

    Legally mandated vaccination - not good in almost any context.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭Dr. Greenthumb


    You do like to put word in people mouth, don't you.

    I know what's in the Charter, it would take you 10 minutes to get your head around it but you just pick the top items from a google search that covers a portion of it. If you took them from that website, you could have scrolled down slightly and arrive at mobility rights, but you didn't take it from there originally, you took it from the google front page. I'm not here to educate you, you can do that yourself but you don't seem to want to.

    I don't think I posted any article did I? I mentioned Brian Peckford's speech on the protest and that he's more likely to understand the nuances of the Charter more than you. You clearly don't believe so.

    You've posted a lot of you opinion on here, you have clear disdain for the truckers and those that support them which is a third of the country. I've made my point pretty clear, we're getting into repetition now so I'll leave it to you. Best of luck. I hope this protest comes to an amicable ending without any escalation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭Dr. Greenthumb


    You've responded to my post with a bunch of points that bear nothing to the content of my post. I've clarified my position, it's a breach of the Charter of Rights. A third of the population of Canada support them which is the same amount that voted for the Liberals when they got back into government. Funny how on one hand that third of the population are pariahs in your view and on the other it lets you rule the country.

    As I said in my previous post we're getting into repetition here and I've no interest in arguing opinions which are clearly set in stone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Okay, a third of the country support them, meaning two-thirds don't. That's a majority.

    It's not a breach of rights, that's BS, Canada has had vaccine requirements before, during Smallpox, and then early in the 20th century, e.g. Toronto medical school, all students had to be vaccinated. In the 70's, many Canadian provinces had mandatory vaccination programs.

    What next, would you support that surgeons block roads because they don't want to wear masks during surgery? pilots block airports because don't want to take the mandatory medical?

    This rights stuff is complete nonsense, it's a pandemic, we have had vaccine requirements all over the world. We've had vaccine requirements for decades (e.g. Yellow Fever).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,259 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    No, I flew to Toronto recently with no need to show a vaccine cert, the only mandate for public transport is to wear a mask. Same with the ferries in BC as well. To leave the country, it depends on what country you are going to and their rules, like entering Ireland at Christmas you needed proof.

    Nothing needed for internal travel at all. So yes, they we can travel with ease.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,259 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    What I can gather from Peckfrod is that I have a much better grasp of science than he does, that isn't hard when he spouts rubbish of experimental vaccines and so forth, the words of an imbecile.

    As I have said, and pointed out to you a few times, nothing in the charter is being infringed upon. Canada has rules, regardless of vaccination or otherwise. Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada. and then its followed up by The rights specified in subsection (2) are subject to any laws or practices of general application in force in a province other than those that discriminate among persons primarily on the basis of province of present or previous residence; and any laws providing for reasonable residency requirements as a qualification for the receipt of publicly provided social services.

    Glad I could help you understand things better though, you didn't want to read the charter so there are the highlights for you now. Peckford is free to say what he wants, I am free to call him an idiot for what he is saying, because it is not based in the real world.

    Take care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Doug Ford has just made it official, 100k fine and/or 1 year in prison for those illegally blocking ports, borders, airports, major motorways

    And trucking licenses might be stripped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    Patronizing **** numpties the only correct thought process, is your thought process any one who veers off that thought is a CT or an idiot or a trumpian or a red neck. Listen to yourselves for a minute and accept that all people will never agree.


    "When debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the loser" Socrates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    But you did talk about conspiracy theories. They is why people believe you are a conspiracy theorist.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Ultimately, I think Trudeau should bring in the military to have these convoys removed. They are hurting Canada and Canada's economy.

    Too much risk. Reports are some of them are armed, it would just take one simpleton to open fire and lets just say it wouldn't end well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    "When debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the loser" Socrates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I think you need to go back and read the first few pages again rather than quote out of context at me. Stating a fact is not slander. You were pushing conspiracy theories. When debate is lost nonsense is the tool of the loser.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭Billy Mays




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    yes indeed but a good quote whoever said it !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Are you sure?

    Eric Trump tweeted it, surely he would have fact checked it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,364 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    "Using marks of quotation shows that the quotes is true" ~ Lionel Ronaldo 1789



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    the moon picture is for you guys !!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,364 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Well the fact a Trump tweeted it means theres a 97% chance its scutter.

    But the Trump disciples will believe and preach the word of the Lord.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,364 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I love the maturity of CT’ists. It’s the same on the CT forum. Throw a hissy fit, misquote, post nonsense, then memes…..finally it usually ends up with name calling and a dramatic fake exit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,364 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    One of Platos finest works wouldn't you agree?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,364 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Has he started calling everyone else a "paid poster" yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    Get over yourselves lads you are soo serious about your facts & figures, bore-fest lighten up, and enjoy life you could be dead tomorrow.....look at that young lad 12 years old dead in Adare be real . So what if you think i am an asshole. So be it. I think someone else is an asshole its a pyramid of judgement assholes on every angle have a good weekend.



  • Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And like that...pfft...he's gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Agreed.

    But they were also armed, back in the days of the October crisis.

    However I think by now everyone has discontent with the Canadian government on handling the Corona crisis, and that includes Trudeau calling an early election in the middle of the crisis, in hopes of gaining more seats, in reality gaining nothing, but at a cost to the Canadian taxpayer.... I think the whole early election cost around 600 Million.

    Also, I think Canada should finally open up the borders to fully vaccinated travellers without any ifs, buts or maybes, forms or ArriveCanada Apps. Canadian Passport, Vaccination certificate with QR code, and one should be done.

    No need for artificially creating endless queues at Pearson airport and risks of getting infected.

    But this has hardly anything to do with the convoy, - but again, it's my personal discontent.

    Both the British and the Irish governments handled themselves better in the pandemic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    I aint gone but i am bored with thread, almost 500 comments all emanating from my little starter loads of arguments and discourse brilliant . Hmmm what will i start next to get the vocal liberals all ganging up on me again!! I am not sure i will have a think HONK HONK .....



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