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The Canada Convoy

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  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why would I think asking someone if they supported vaccine mandates is a 'gotcha' question? That's what the thread is about. You are some waffler. Why you make such a song and dance about it?

    Why would you ask that question, to multiple people (including myself when the question had nothing to do with my post), and then jump down the throat of the first person who didn't answer it effectively, if not to turn around and say "Ha, see!!!! These guys can't even answer a basic question". That's the definition of a 'gotcha' question right there.

    I'm 'not man enough' to address your bog-standard 'elf an safety conditions of employment blah blah?

    Correct. You've had ample opportunity to address it, and have refused to do so repeatedly. One can only surmise that you cannot do it, so are deflecting. feel free to prove me wrong. I won't hold my breath.

    The point is it's wrong, you're wrong, and the Canadian truckers should be supported by anyone and everyone.

    Anything submitted without evidence can be just as easily dismissed without evidence. You can say the above all you want, but it doesn't make it true. Anyone can do similar. Here, look:

    All of those truckers are convicted paedophiles and anyone supporting them is also a paedophile.

    QED.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭growleaves


    QED? Lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭growleaves


    At least you managed to go a couple of posts without exploding into profanity, keep it up.

    Human beings are not bio-hazards, and vaccinated human beings can spread covid. Mandates are without substance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    "Within the confines of the law" an employer generally cannot ask you for your medical history no matter the nuance, subtext or context. So your rebuttal holds as much water as a sieve. Keep digging though, it's fun to watch.



  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    Great counter-argument. Well done. You've managed to flip everyone of my views on this matter and everyone should hold you up as the shining example of master debater that you are. Instead of, y'know, just another gullible idiot who is avoiding the answers to their questions, again, because they cannot rationally do so in a meaningful way, which is what it looks like. Bravo.



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  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cool....never said they were, or that they couldn't. You're wrong about the last part, but you know that already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,121 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    During a pandemic? Depending on the situation and current job, absolutely.

    For example, essential workers, especially healthcare workers, who refuse to vaccinate and can't provide a valid reason for refusing should be warned, then fired. They have a care of duty to their patients, unvaccinated healthcare workers are willingly putting those patients at risk, for no valid reason.

    Foreign truck-drivers? They fall under the umbrella of non-US individuals trying to enter the US via land/ports, and are not allowed to do so unless vaccinated due to the current level of cases in the US. If they refuse to vaccinate, then they should work with their company to do domestic routes, sit out the pandemic or quit (or be fired).

    If someone wants to give up their job because they are so obsessed with not vaccinating during a pandemic, cool, go for it. Pilots lose their jobs if they don't take medicals, surgeons lose their jobs if they refuse to wear a mask, nurses lose their jobs if they don't get the flu jab. Good riddance.



  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Incorrect.

    There are plenty of examples where they can, and do. All perfectly legally.

    Please try again.


    Edit: Do me a favour.......next time you're out sick for a few days and your employer asks for a Doctor's cert, tell them they cannot ask you for your medical history no matter the nuance, subtext or context. Let us know how you got on, like a good lad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber



    it is a reference to people who dont wear masks so quite irrelevant here as we are discussing vaccine mandates. Dont bother engaging with him he is a plonker !



  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's actually a derogatory term for anyone who is "pro-covid" for want of a better word. People who would be okay with contracting a potentially deadly disease in order to.......eh........provide immunity from contracting the same disease. Not just confined to masks or vaccines, so actually very relevant.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Not incorrect, check out the meaning of the word generally, as used in my post. There are certain jobs, like the medical field where you'll have to make a disclosure, but GENERALLY, there is no legal basis for an employer to ask for your medical history. You must have missed the nuance 🤣🤣🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,121 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    For Yellow Fever vaccinations are a requirement for multiple countries. Infected people are a risk, there's nothing theoretical about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    The Canadians are merely a combined group who dont like being dictated to. The food shortages will start soon as it is the truckers who are the veins of the supply chain. I work in procurement and truckers are the beating heart so they do need to resolve this in a good way . I admire them for saying no more and if we were still in lockdown i think we might find a few folk with their courage too.



  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Check out my edit. Any job can ask you for pretty much anything related to your medical history. You can refuse, if you want, but they can refuse to continue employing you, once they remain within the bounds of the law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,121 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The majority of Canadians support the measures and oppose the actions of these truckers.

    The vast majority of truckers in Canada are vaxxed and working as normal, this is a minority. They could still protest peacefully as is their right, but no they've decided to block roads, blare their horns, get violent and piss everyone off. And you support these people, okay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The Canadians should deploy the armed forces along with the police to clear the streets ,use the army to recover any trucks blocking streets and have them crushed ,

    The tune will change quickly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭growleaves


    As mentioned upthread, the Army have already refused to be deployed.

    "Despite the Ottawa Police briefly raising the possibility of a military intervention to clear a stubborn holdout of Freedom Convoy truckers blockading their downtown, the Canadian Armed Forces have been quick to say they will be doing no such thing . A spokesperson for the Minister of Defence told the Wall Street Journal on Thursday, “The Canadian Armed Forces are not involved in law enforcement in this situation, and there are no plans for such CAF involvement.”"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    State sponsored aggression against peaceful protest is a very right-wing conservative viewpoint to hold



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,121 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's not a peaceful protest. Blocking routes puts lives at risk, in the UK that has already happened when protesters blocked motorways and at least one person died unable to get to a hospital.

    Note how the truckers aren't doing this en masse on the US side, that's because they'd be lashed out of it for such antics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I doubt a 'Kent State'-type massacre would be accepted by Canadians.

    No doubt there would be Irish people touting poll results showing that 72% of Canadians support the Canadian government massacring Canadian citizens.

    The Army have already refused so that's that.

    Like I said, time to climb down. When your army tells you 'Nah mate you're okay' your reach might be exceeding your grasp a little.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,121 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    What?

    You support a bunch of anti-vaxxers further endangering people's lives by blocking public roads. Running out of straws to grasp at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Strange that you would reference those extinction rebellion protests in that UK that killed nobody. Fact check- the person suffered a stroke.

    Why not compare to the BLM protests where multiple people were killed as a direct result of the "protests".. Do you agree that BLM protests were not peaceful?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Furthermore , the met police stepped back and done nothing , which is indicative of progressive leadership. So I have to assume you also support state sponsored aggression against protesters , when it suits of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭Starfire20


    yeah, the US side has a vaccine mandate so these losers won't be allowed to cross anyway.

    as already stated numerous times in this thread, the over whelming majority of Canadian truckers are vaxxed and have nothing to do with this 'protest"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Lol

    I said I doubt that Canadians will accept a 'Kent State'-like massacre of protestors.

    I was at an Irish protest where a public road was blocked before, and funnily enough Oglaigh na Eireann didn't wade in and start firing rounds into the crowd for Bloody Sunday Part II.

    But hey you said the magic words 'endangering people's lives' so fire away (literally).

    Except the Canadian Armed Forces have already refused to get involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,121 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I am referencing the "Insulate Britain" motorway protests. Indeed the woman suffered a stroke and is paralysed due after having to spend 6 hours stuck in traffic. For the protest group, multiple members have been charged. Motorways and roads can't be fully blocked, it's very dangerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,121 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "I was at an Irish protest where a public road was blocked before" - you do realise the truckers aren't blocking one road right? They are/were paralysing an entire city, EMT and paramedics are having issues getting to emergencies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭Starfire20


    the army wasn't asked to get involved because you generally don't deploy soldiers domestically against citizens.

    Its a policing matter and being handled accordingly.

    but nice framing btw



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