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National Hurling League 2022 Discussion

  • 31-01-2022 9:19pm
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    Division 1A

    February: Round One- Cork v Clare (Páirc Uí Chaoimh, Saturday 5th, 5pm), Wexford v Limerick (Wexford Park, Sunday 6th, 1.45pm), Galway v Offaly (Pearse Stadium, Sunday 6th, 2pm). Round Two- Limerick v Galway (Gaelic Grounds, Saturday 12th, 7pm), Clare v Wexford (Cusack Park Ennis, Sunday 13th, 1.45pm), Offaly v Cork (O'Connor Park, Sunday 13th, 2pm). Round Three- Galway v Wexford (Pearse Stadium, Sunday 27th, 2pm), Offaly v Clare (O'Connor Park, Sunday 27th, 2pm), Limerick v Cork (Gaelic Grounds, Sunday 27th, 3.45pm).

    March: Round Four- Cork v Galway (Páirc Uí Chaoimh, Saturday 5th, 7pm), Clare v Limerick (Cusack Park Ennis, Sunday 6th, 1.45pm), Wexford v Offaly (Wexford Park, Sunday 6th, 2pm). Round Five- Galway v Clare (Pearse Stadium, Sunday 20th, 1.45pm), Limerick v Offaly (Gaelic Grounds, Sunday 20th, 1.45pm), Wexford v Cork (Wexford Park, Sunday 20th, 1.45pm).

    Division 1B

    February: Round One- Laois v Tipperary (O'Moore Park, Saturday 5th, 6pm), Kilkenny v Antrim (Nowlan Park, Sunday 6th, 1pm), Dublin v Waterford (Parnell Park, Sunday 6th, 3.45pm). Round Two- Antrim v Dublin (Corrigan Park, Saturday 12th, 2pm), Waterford v Laois (Walsh Park, Sunday 13th, 2pm), Tipperary v Kilkenny (Semple Stadium, Sunday 13th, 3.45pm). Round Three- Tipperary v Dublin (Semple Stadium, Saturday 26th, 5pm), Antrim v Waterford (Corrigan Park, Sunday 27th, 1pm), Kilkenny v Laois (Nowlan Park, Sunday 27th, 2pm).

    March: Round Four- Dublin v Kilkenny (Parnell Park, Saturday 5th, 5pm), Waterford v Tipperary (Walsh Park, Sunday 6th, 1.45pm), Laois v Antrim (O'Moore Park, Sunday 6th, 3.45pm). Round Five- Kilkenny v Waterford (Nowlan Parkv Sunday 20th, 1.45pm), Laois v Dublin (O'Moore Park, Sunday 20th, 1.45pm), Tipperary v Antrim (Semple Stadium, Sunday 20th, 1.45pm).

    Division 1 semi-finals (1st 1A vs 2nd 1B and 1st 1B vs 2nd 1A) & relegation play-off (6th 1A vs 6th 1B): Weekend of March 26th/27th, venues and times to be confirmed.

    Division 1 final: Weekend of April 2nd/3rd, venues and times to be confirmed.

    Division 2A

    February: Round One- Westmeath v Kerry (Cusack Park Mullingar, Sunday 6th, 12.30pm), Down v Carlow (McKenna Park, Sunday 6th, 1pm), Kildare v Meath (Newbridge, Sunday 6th, 2pm). Round Two- Carlow v Westmeath (Cullen Park, Sunday 13th, 2pm), Kerry v Kildare (Austin Stack Park, Sunday 13th, 2pm), Meath v Down (Páirc Tailteann, Sunday 13th, 2pm). Round Three- Carlow v Kerry (Cullen Park, Sunday 27th, 12.30pm), Down v Kildare (McKenna Park, Sunday 2th, 2pm), Meath v Westmeath (Páirc Tailteann, Sunday 27th, 2pm).

    March: Round Four- Kerry v Meath (Austin Stack Park, Sunday 6th, 2pm), Kildare v Carlow (Newbridge, Sunday 6th, 2pm), Westmeath v Down (Cusack Park Mullingar, Sunday 6th, 2pm). Round Five- Down v Kerry (McKenna Park, Saturday 19th, 2pm), Kildare v Westmeath (Newbridge, Sunday 20th, 12.30pm), Meath v Carlow (Páirc Tailteann, Sunday 20th, 12.30pm).

    Division 2B

    February: Round One- Derry v Sligo (Celtic Park, Saturday 5th, 2pm), Donegal v London (Letterkenny, Sunday 6th, 12pm), Mayo v Wicklow (Ballina Stephenites, Sunday 6th, 2pm). Round Two- London v Mayo (McGovern Park Ruislip, Sunday 13th, 1pm), Wicklow v Derry (Aughrim, Sunday 13th, 1pm), Sligo v Donegal (Markievicz Park, Sunday 13th, 2pm). Round Three- Sligo v London (Markievicz Park, Sunday 27th, 12pm), Wicklow v Donegal (Aughrim, Sunday 27th, 12.30pm), Derry v Mayo (Celtic Park, Sunday 27th, 2pm).

    March: Round Four- London v Wicklow (McGovern Park Ruislip, Sunday 6th, 1pm), Donegal v Derry (Letterkenny, Sunday 6th, 2pm), Mayo v Sligo (Ballina Stephenites, Sunday 6th, 2pm). Round Five- Derry v London (Celtic Park, Sunday 20th, 12pm), Mayo v Donegal (Ballina Stephenites, Sunday 20th, 1pm), Wicklow v Sligo (Aughrim, Sunday 20th, 1pm).

    Division 2 semi-finals & relegation play-off: Weekend of March 26th/27th, venues and times to be confirmed.

    Division 2A & 2B finals: Weekend of April 2nd/3rd, venues and times to be confirmed.

    Division 3A

    February: Round One- Armagh v Louth (Athletic Grounds, Saturday 5th, 2.30pm), Warwickshire v Monaghan (Páirc na hÉireann Birmingham, Sunday 6th, 1pm), Roscommon v Tyrone (Dr Hyde Park, Sunday 6th, 2pm). Round Two- Tyrone v Warwickshire (Healy Park, Sunday 13th, 1pm), Louth v Roscommon (Dundalk, Sunday 13th, 2pm), Monaghan v Armagh (Inniskeen, Sunday 13th, 2pm). Round Three- Louth v Monaghan (Dundalk, Saturday 26th, 2pm), Roscommon v Warwickshire (Athleague, Sunday 27th, 1pm), Tyrone v Armagh (Healy Park, Sunday 27th, 2pm).

    March: Found Four- Warwickshire v Louth (Páirc na hÉireann Birmingham, Saturday 5th, 1pm), Armagh v Roscommon (Athletic Grounds, Sunday 6th, 2pm), Monaghan v Tyrone (Inniskeen, Sunday 6th, 2pm). Round Five- Roscommon v Monaghan (Dr Hyde Park, Sunday 20th, 1pm), Tyrone v Louth (Healy Park, Sunday 20th, 1pm), Warwickshire v Armagh (Páirc na hÉireann, Sunday 20th, 1pm).

    Division 3B

    February: Round One- Fermanagh v Cavan (Brewster Park, Saturday 5th, 2.30pm), Lancashire v Leitrim (Venue to be confirmed, Sunday 6th, 1pm). Round Two- Cavan v Lancashire (Breffni Park, Sunday 13th, 1pm), Longford v Fermanagh (Pearse Park, Sunday 13th, 2pm). Round Three- Leitrim v Cavan (Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada, Saturday 26th, 2pm), Lancashire v Longford (Venue to be confirmed, Sunday 27th, 1pm).

    March: Round Four- Fermanagh v Lancashire (Brewster Park, Sunday 6th, 1pm), Longford v Leitrim (Pearse Park, Sunday 6th, 2pm). Round Five- Cavan v Longford (Breffni Park, Sunday 20th, 12.30pm), Leitrim v Fermanagh (Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada, Sunday 20th, 12.30pm)

    Division 3 semi-finals: Weekend of March 26th/27th, venues and times to be confirmed.

    Division 3A & 3B finals: Weekend of April 2nd/3rd, venues and times to be confirmed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 795 ✭✭✭lim4ev

    fair play PTH I'll know where to check any fixture I need to now. can't really comment on the games themselves just to say I can't wait for them all to start

  • Registered Users Posts: 37,973 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009

    same and its nice to back to the normal times for the competition. Great going to league games on a cold damp February Sunday

    Hard to know what way different teams will treat the league, the media will have a field day if King Henrys Galway fly out of the traps. With only the top 2 getting through there will be urgency from teams to get keep the form up considering how close the league is to championship (Round 5 a month before the opening rounds of the Championships)

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen

    The Clare v Limerick game on Saturday evening is perfect. Great pitch and under lights. Really good lights I might add because some of these club flood lights are grand for training but they arent high enough nor strong enough for inter County matches

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  • Registered Users Posts: 795 ✭✭✭lim4ev

    I'm sure it's limerick v galway on the sat night and yes I agree I love the sat evening games a match then a few pints afterwards we didn't realise how good we had it till it was gone ill be at every match I possibly can this yr

  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭C4000

    Tempted to have a few quid on Kildare to win 2A as a value bet at 16/1. They cruised through 2B last year and were very competitive in hard fought matches against Carlow and Westmeath in the Joe McDonagh before surprisingly being well beaten by Meath in a relegation playoff.

    They were hammered by Westmeath in the Kehoe Cup recently, but seemed to have a very inexperienced team out. Also missing Naas players for now but their last two games are at home to Carlow and Westmeath.......

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  • Registered Users Posts: 37,973 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009

    2A is going to be interesting esp having teams like Carlow, Westmeath, Kerry in and then Kildare who are improving as already mentioned. Down and Meath aren't far off the others too

  • Registered Users Posts: 37,973 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009

    That Limerick squad for the first round of the league is scary.

  • Registered Users Posts: 441 ✭✭letsseehere14

    Great opening post laying out the games. I am really looking forward to this years league, the club championship has been great and its like the season is just continuing. Arguably it is the 4th different intercounty format is 6 years. Old format in 2017, new round robin in 2018, 2019, Winter championship, league basically not finished in 2020, old format in 2021 with no league final and now condensed/early season round robin format in 2022.

    As we know some teams just get the prep totally wrong, it happens. Galway last year is a prime example where they peaked too early and had absolutely nothing for championship.

    This year I expect teams to probably go with 8 to 10 expected starters per match with a lot of rotation across the league games and with some championship games timetabled in for 2 weeks after the league final, I would assume a league final is not even on some teams agenda. And may even be a hindrance. I have even heard this from some pundits, I think on Dalos show. This shows up a major flaw in the new timetable as it reduced the prestige of the league enormously, and the leagues prestige was already on the wane.

    I dont think there is any point of a power rankings this early other than its Limerick #1. The rest its impossible to put where they actually are as come April what is expected now may be very different.

    I hope we rotate a lot this year, Pat Ryan looks set to start in the FF line for championship but mainly due to injury of Casey. My main worry was that the guys outside of the 15 were not getting real game time, particularly championship. This year its unavoidable to not use the whole squad and we will finally see how deep our squad really is.

    As for the others, I have no idea what Cork or Galway will do. Honestly. Cork have to show some backbone now and bounce back. Galway have been up, down, up, down in form. No Canning. No idea how good they will be. Kilkenny have adapted but dont seem to have much new, main men another year older. I could see them slipping back. Wexford, in actual transition as they have to unlearn the Davy tactics. Clare and Dublin might take a step forward this year. Tipp in transition but maybe not as major as some think, talent is or should be there and theyve been the only team in the last 2 years to actually win a half against Limerick, in a lot of ways the only team to really lay a glove on us. Finally Waterford, the team in my eyes with the most pressure on their backs this year. Cahill choosing them over Tipp means he expects and requires them to perform. A lot of exciting players but they took a step back last year compared to 2020. Slipped further away from Limerick and were very poor against Clare and Laois as well as a few league performances. This for me was in major contrast to their 2020 campaign where they were consistent for pretty much the entire year. I dont see them as ahead of any of the other teams, but the expectation from them and the media has put them front and centre in the spotlight. It will be very interesting to see how they go in the league and through to the first 2 rounds of championship which will make or break them against ourselves and Tipp.

    Division 2 has Kerry Carlow and Westmeath meeting eachother over the first 3 rounds. Maybe even by round 2 we will see who is going to win that. Offaly back in 1A, great to see and I hope they make the step back to the Leinster championship soon.

    Ties of round 1 - Cork v Clare, Dublin v Waterford and Westmeath v Kerry

    Potential league shocks? Laois v Tipp, Offaly v Clare, Offaly v Wexford, Antrim v Dublin

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,789 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

    It's a bit of a perfect storm for Limerick. Not only have we the best team it's also the most settled and almost everyone else seems to have way more pressure. Cork and Kilkenny in particular will be under serious pressure given the relatively long wait for All Irelands, Galway and Tipp have/had the players to do it only a few years ago and Waterford know they have the players to come close.

    Despite the last few years and all of the above I still can't go into a season confident. It's just not in my nature as a Limerick fan.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,641 ✭✭✭billyhead

    Limerick will be hard to stop this year. They are so far ahead of the chasing pack. Teams need a strong squad this year with the round robin games in the championship with injuries etc.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 37,973 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009

    Antrim leading against Kilkenny

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,789 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

    Is there anywhere does live scores these days ?

  • Registered Users Posts: 37,973 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Happyilylost

    Never heard of it. Great App thanks a million. Very frustrating since Hoganstand stopped.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc

    Wexford playing well,couple of points ahead with 5 to go.

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,789 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

    Thanks for that. Looks like a good app

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc

    Good win for Wexford by 3 points in the end.

  • Registered Users Posts: 456 ✭✭Happyhouse22

    Pretty good game here - in an era of ever increasing scores this was much more enjoyable than many more high scoring and free flowing affairs.

  • Registered Users Posts: 679 ✭✭✭bamayang

    Agreed, enjoyable battle. Wexford gave Limerick lots of it. Dunno would Limerick be that bothered by the loss.

    But the big thing I see with them, they don’t seem to have new Gillanes/Lynch’s coming onto the team, not sure the conveyor belt is at the same level.

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,789 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate

    Scrappy enough game with a strong wind and some bad wides.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen

    Crazy wind but some of Limericks shooting was old skool terrible. I dunno how Cathal O Neill was left on for so long...he was awfull loose in possession.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc

    Wind was very hard to guage at times and poor finishing, especially quite a few frees missed.

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    Tbf, Lynch is the best player Limerick has produced certainly in my memory, you can't expect to see another like him for Limerick for a few decades, but yeah, the depth isn't massive there, despite the Academy etc. Limerick lost a few at this time of the year last year too so we'll see how it goes.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3

    He is a young lad of 18 years of age.!! A great prospect. Actually too young to play Fitzgibbon Cup with UL. Shoots the lights out with his club in virtually every game. Well deserves his chance to stake a claim in this squad.

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,789 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

    It's Hannan and Quaid I really worry about losing. Quaids perfect puckouts and Hannans control of the defense are irreplaceable for Limerick I think.

    Lynch is a once in a generation type. Probably this decades Canning/Shefflin and there is no point even dreaming you will get another one coming along.

  • Registered Users Posts: 18,350 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm

    Anyone who has not seen The Sunday Game. It is worth watching for the Davy Fitz v Donal Og discussion on the Wexford goal (Dwyer) v Limerick. Davy going on about what a great goal it was.

    DOC - ‘But steps Davy?’

    DF - ‘Don’t talk to me about steps!’

    DOC - ‘12 steps???’

    DF - (getting annoyed at the use of logic) - ‘sometimes it works the other way and refs blow for 2 or 3 steps’


    This was funny enough. But then Davy discusses Offaly hurling in general. At another segment. And what phrase does Davy use to describe Offaly’s progress?

    DF - ‘I am very impressed with the amount of steps Offaly have made.’


    It was gas unbeknownst to him. DF is great entertainment as always. Making great steps in hurling punditry!

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen

    Davy is some man to make up new phrases for the English language.. he has been known to mix sayings... ' we don't want to rock the apple cart'...that type of stuff. And yeah he hates logic. Logic and facts are the last refuge of the scoundrel for Davy.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,789 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985

    Steps is something not worth arguing about. Almost every goal could be pulled back on steps and Donal Og knows that

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,641 ✭✭✭billyhead

    The 2 Morrisseys and Gearoid Hegarty worked hard today. Apart from awful finishing by Hegarty in the 2nd half he had a good game I wouldn't worry much from this loss. Get them out of the way now. All Ireland's aren't won in February.