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This whole cancel culture myth

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,746 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    what about this one?

    In its waning moments, during a Q. and A. part of the call, Gary Garrels, the museum’s longest-tenured curator, was asked about comments attributed to him in a @changethemuseum Instagram post in June. The post recounted that when Mr. Garrels had earlier spoken about “acquisitions by POC artists,” he had added, “Don’t worry, we will definitely still continue to collect white artists.”

    Mr. Garrels responded to this on July 7, saying that his comments were “a little bit skewed.” He then explained efforts on “broadly diversifying the collection.”

    “We have put a lot of focus,” he continued, “on collecting women, Black artists, first nation, Native, L.G.B.T.Q., Latino and so on.”

    He added: “I’m certainly not a believer in any kind of discrimination. And there are many white artists, many men who are making wonderful, wonderful work.”

    When a staff member suggested that Mr. Garrels’s comment was equivalent to saying, “All lives matter,” Mr. Garrels responded: “I’m sorry, I don’t agree. I think reverse discrimination — —”

    What he said after that was drowned out by gasps and someone saying, “He didn’t say that!”


    Many staff members say they recalled remarks he made during a panel discussion about female artists in January in which he spoke about “parity” for women and that it would take time — and added: “The other thing I have to say is I reassured artists we will continue to collect white men. There are a lot of great women artists but also still a lot of great men out there as well.”

    After the Zoom meeting, an anonymous group of former museum employees calling themselves xSFMOMA started a petition that drew several hundred supporters and called out Mr. Garrels for using “white supremacist and racist language.” The petition demanded he resign.

    Then the museum’s store employees sent an email to the executive staff denouncing Mr. Garrels’s comments as racist. “We are not asking for an apology we’re asking for action and accountability,” the letter said.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/22/arts/design/sfmoma-gary-garrels-resignation.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,746 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Those of a conservative nature, can you stop being outraged at liberals for a second and answer Medhi's question here?

    Could start a thread of its own accord as to whether the attempts to prevent CRT type content being taught in schools is cancel culture or not. I'm guessing Greg and others would say definitely not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    The whole tactic of 'cancel culture' is to destroy one's character, to rubbish them in the media, such that they can never recover.

    There is no 'myth'. It's a tactic. And it's working.

    While some people talk about the 'far right' what is more serious is the 'far left'.

    The Far Left have no intention of having a conversation about anything. They're going full on my was is the only way and screw everyone else.

    If I were to describe the Far Right VS the Far Left, it would be the Far Right are really bad people, but the Far Left are total nut jobs.

    Take your pick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The Far Left have no intention of having a conversation about anything. 

    What version of reality have you been looking at?

    The right literally want to stop access to abortion full stop,, they want to stop more accurate teaching of history, they want to ignore climate change, many of them still would like to restrict access to marriage for same sex couples, they want the market to set the rules for society, they want to give more money to police than they do to social care or mental health or education programs, they think people should go in to debt to access life saving healthcare and they react to requests for a conversation about gun control by telling people they can take the guns from their cold dead hands?

    What conversations do those on the left not want to have?


    Edited to add. Just saw the posts you just put on another thread in response to someone asking for a specific service. You've some neck on you to talk about the Left having no intention of having a conversation about anything and to come out with posts like that. It's the 'accuse others of that which you are guilty' conservative mantra 101 that we see time and time again isn't it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Excommunion isnt what you think it is. Despite popular belief, excommunion isnt a banishment or being thrown out. It is only a temporary time out from the sacraments. No matter what you do, God still has a place for you on the table. Mostly it happens automatically through personal choices.



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    Well said.

    The problem is that all these social media and tech companies are heavily left wing and employing people straight out of left wing universities so the rules of engagement on these social media sites is naturally based around left wing idealogies.

    So anyone not fitting their ideologies or of conservative and right wing thinking is automatically in trouble if expressing their opinion and soon find their voice taken away altogether.

    So much for the inclusiveness and we love everyone attitude that the left love to speak of?

    It's dangerous territory we have found ourselves in, a few companies control the discourse of the world and it's all through the lens of left wing idealogies and it's their way or the high way.

    There is some evidence of a shift away from far left ideologies and the destruction they have caused with so many flooding out of democrat run states like California where LA and San Francisco have become some sort of Dystopian mess into the likes of red states like Texas and Florida.

    Wether it's far left or far right far is just too far and there has been no one keeping the far left in line in recent years and they are now harvesting the rotten fruit of their harvest im afraid.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    The difference between the two is the far right have no mates in media academia or the NGO space ,not so with the far left



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The far right are awash with close chums in politics and the media.

    The idea that tech companies are far left is the single stupidest thing I think I've ever read on this site.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    How about this one?

    The supposed party of Law and Order not wanting to investigate Jan 6th is pretty telling isn't it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I was referring to Ireland, the Irish media is awash with Marxist sympathisers



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't believe you. Same guff gets bandied about over here. It's just hysterical intolerance of dissent.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,023 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    It must be exhausting for some folk to be afraid of this mythical “left menace” all the time. Terrified some blue haired enby will jump out from under the bed and force them to kiss a guy.

    Probably more afraid they’ll like it.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's a loop. They're told that trans people are going to make sleeping illegal or whatever and then the next day there'll be a new thing to be outraged by like an organisation removing a monument to a slave trader or something irrelevant.

    This is what they think is important. When you're at the far end of the spectrum, any dissent cannot be tolerated. You see it couched in terms like "shutting down the debate" for instance as well as not being far right suddenly equates to being far left. Nonsense but extremist thought is a heck of a drug.

    I do wonder if these people are all loaded or something. We're in the middle of a pandemic which has devastated the economy and all some people want to talk about is apocryphal misandry or how the bigots they adore are having to face consequences.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    That's funny , the intolerance of " dissent " in the Irish media is for any sort of vaguely conservative opinion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    The vastly disproportionate level of airtime given to the likes of Paul Murphy and PBP


    National women's Council or other Marxist quangos

    The endless coverage of DP stories, all with a slant which espouses a view that direct provision is wrong and those residing there should be naturalised



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The vastly disproportionate level of airtime given to the likes of Paul Murphy and PBP

    Who do you think should be given airtime to counter Paul Murphy and PBP in your view? Be specific please.

    What constitutes endless coverage of DP stories? Again, be specific, there's certainly occasional stories, but you used the phrase endless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Or maybe this one, is this an example of cancel culture?




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    the frequency is less important than the editorial line , never once have the media ( and especially RTE ) questioned the validity of the stories of those who reside in DP centres , its portrayed as a given than the people there are 100% genuine refugees fleeing conflict

    as for your first question , its not about having someone on to counter paul murphy or a member of PBP , the point is for the level of electoral support those far left TD,s have , they receive a vastly disproportionate level of media airtime



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I don't consider myself a "conservative", I just don't want art and culture judged by purely political criteria.

    Hopefully we will see more private galleries and less "public" institutions.

    If I could wave a magic wand and set up my own museum I would have no board, no commitments to "the public interest" whatsoever, and just buy/exhibit works based on aesthetic and historical interest considerations and offer little or no explanation about the selection criteria except to say that it was completely out of the hands of outsiders.

    All institutions which have a pretence to the public good are being turned into vehicles for a tendentious form of identity-politics new leftism.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,196 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Cancel culture has always existed and will always exist. Now for some reason it seems to be predominately used in conjunction with wokeness even though there has been examples given on his thread of it being used by both the Left and Right. I think die hard supporters of both the Left and Right are blinkered when it comes to that point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Frequently on here it is said that RTE are only mouthpieces for the government, if that were the case, don't you think that they would be more than capable of countering any narrative about DP being an unpleasant situation? Even if it wasn't on RTE, the government are still more than capable of putting it out there that such stories are exaggerating if not outright false.

    RTE nor anyone outside of the asylum application authorities have any right to judge someone's claim as being false. On what basis do you think they are entitled to do so?

    In terms of Paul Murphy's airtime, I think he would argue that he is pushing against the tide in terms of the volume of contributors, commentators, journalists in the media that give tacit agreement to things carrying on as normal. There's no shortage of articles talking about the benefits of corporate investment for example. If he is so impactful, why then is he still talking about the same issues without having seen significant, if indeed any change with respect to them over the years. It would seem to me, that the likes of David Quinn is as frequent a commentator on Irish media as Paul Murphy and he has zero electoral justification for being there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    id wager David Quinn holds the same views as a much larger segment of the population than Paul Murphy , I appreciate he is not an elected official but you did bring him up at the end of the day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I provided examples , I suspect you were going to reject whatever i presented



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Cherrypicked examples aren't proof and that's even if they're real.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I'd wager the reason he isn't elected is probably because his views aren't as generally accepted as Murphy's are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    They are as much as anyone else on here.

    Or who do you think should be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Well as he has never ran ,its really impossible to say but the number of communists in Ireland is quite small where as there are plenty of social conservatives



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    So socialist and communists are the same thing are they?

    Do you think conservatives and fascists are one and the same?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,544 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,309 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    It would appear that depending on who you ask, the media in Ireland are either far-left Trotskyists, or puppets of a fiscally conservative right-wing government!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    So you think by asking one loaded question, I'm also going to answer another one?

    Eoin o Broin and Mary lou are socialists, Paul Murphy is far more radical in terms of the economy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    How about this one lads?

    Is this cancel culture?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,221 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    neil young cancels himself from spotify cos spotify wont cancel joe rogan

     “I want you to let Spotify know immediately TODAY that I want all my music off their platform … They can have Rogan or Young. Not both.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/26/spotify-neil-young-joe-rogan-covid-misinformation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Whats going on here?

    Conservative mouthpieces calling for someone to be fired for something they said?

    I've heard there's a word for this type of behaviour, can't think of what it is though. Anyone got any ideas?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Fr Ted wasn't just Linehen, co written by Arthur Matthews who as far as im aware hasn't been "cancelled"



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The Irish media is reflective of the background of most of the people in it; middle class suburbanites. In general they're 'left' on social issues so long as it's not too close to home and 'right' when it is. As far as government goes a setup like RTE which is reliant on government financial support will tend not to rock the wrong boat.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Cant wait for Ricky G and his new "final" show. It looks that a lot of people will need counseling afterwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Probably because Goldbergs employers believed her apology whereas the others didn't.

    Thinks don't always happen exactly the same. There's a lot of variables involved. No doubt they looked at a lot of factors, Kelly was on a massive contract and ratings weren't good and so they probably took an opportunity to escape that. What do you think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Well since you asked, I think she didn't get sacked because she's black.

    edit: better add some nuance to that.....because I think ABC felt they would come under strong criticism for sacking a black person, and they didn't want to have to deal with it (in the context of the current state of affairs in US race relations).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Bear on mind this is the supposed party of Law and Order.

    This is how they are going after people who don't tow the line in favour of Trump.

    If this isn't cancel culture, what is it? Do any of the conservatives who post here want to explain what exactly it is?

    Incredible/worrying/dangerous that while all this is going on, Conservative commentators ignore it and get angry because Minnie Mouse changed her dress or whatever item that has been chosen to distract and enrage their audience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,800 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Because Joe Rogan is there, let’s punish Neil Young fans…..right… Joe Rogan won’t care, he’ll love the publicity the attention seeking gimp…

    Meanwhile, the almost 6 million people apparently who enjoyed listening to Neil Young on Spotify can get fûcked… a real nice and thoughtful way to treat your fans Neil…..

    id be a casual Neil fan but not that he’d care but I wouldn’t buy a ticket or album of his… that’s just outrageously contemptible….stupid….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Neil is of an age where he probably spent a good portion of the last 2 years knowing that if he caught Covid the impact could be the worst. And the same goes for many of the people who have been fans of his throughout his life. He also suffered from polio as a child so is accutely aware of the impact of vaccine development and administration.

    Joe Rogan actively told a cohort of his listeners to not get the vaccine without any logical basis for doing so.

    Looks to me that the person here who is more consciousness with respect to caring for his fans is most definitely not Joe Rogan.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Rogan's a grubby little cultural parasite. Nothing more. It's great to see people like Young take control of their music instead of just idling by on Spotify's dime.

    Funny how the cancel culture brigade have nothing to say about the banning (and burning) of Maus and other books in the US. I suppose Republicans can't bear to have their idol look bad.


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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