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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    I actually ended up getting an M5 GPS after all 😀 Got a great deal on a demo model so couldn't turn it down. 36 hole model too so I'm delighted even though I doubt I'd ever need the extra battery. I do find the GPS handy in the limited use its got since I bought it but I do still rely on the watch for distances. One thing that annoys me about the M5 GPS is I can't seem to change it from hole layout to green or vice versa. It seems to automatically either show the layout if I'm on the tee and then on its the green only which is annoying where you are too far back to go for the green and want to see what kind of yardage it is to a hazard/landing zone. Is this me being thick or is there a way to do that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭higster



    See screen layout on manual where says hazard press on that on the screen and should rotate through layout, green, hazards etc as needed

    Make sure to update to latest software. Do it on wifi, can be a bit fiddly and took a few goes (eg won’t work on a wifi network that does not have a password).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    Thanks Higster, will give that a go. I think it might be the software is out of date, don't think I even tried updating it when I got it. I'm sure I tried the hazard option to cycle through the views but got nowhere. One thing I really like is how easy it is to just slide the pin that's on the layout to where you are looking to hit to, really makes it quick and easy to see what you're up against. Played RCD last week for the first time and it was really useful on the tee to check distances. I think someone else recommended the GPS and said its a lifesaver once you have it and I'm inclined to agree now that I have that I'd struggle to go back to not having it there on the screen. Still use the watch though as my pain point of reference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,750 ✭✭✭redzerdrog




  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Rules question for you lot, that i was curious/annoyed about at the time, and only really remembered this week.

    Played some matchplay last year, and there was a hole that had a right dogleg around the coast. Red stakes around it, but the tide was out. I of course hit my drive in there. Hit a provisional into a not great spot, and moved on. When i got down near the beach, i could see my ball was sitting up nicely and playable, and in a much better position to approach the green. I assumed i could play it, but the opposing team said that local rules don't allow you to play it from there, and i'd have to play my provisional.

    Do local rules trump GUI rules?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭golfguy1


    can't play a provisional when ball in warer hazard so 1st ball is out of play and you must play with provo.

    nothing to do with local rules



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    How come we see pro's playing out of water then? And if the tide is out, and there's no water, is that still not allowed? I thought red stakes allowed you to play if you find it.

    I don't really care, its done, just curious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,634 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Yeah, you can play if you find it, but not if you've already reloaded as far as I know.

    Basically, the idea is there's no such thing as a provisional for hazards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    But if the water hazard is deemed out of bounds then surely the provisional is in play?

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭Miley Byrne


    If he saw his ball enter the hazard (now called a penalty area but lets call it a hazard in this instance) then he can't play a provisional. He has 3 options. 1. Play the ball as it lies in the hazard (no penalty) 2. Take a penalty drop from the point of entry to the hazard (penalty of one stroke). 3. Replay his last stroke under penalty of one stroke ie hit his 3rd shot off the tee.

    Basically if he hits another ball off the tee then this ball is the ball in play.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 767 ✭✭✭Lefty2Guns


    My course has a par 3 water hole that you can't see if your ball has cleared the water due to reeds in the hazard/water. We generally play a provisional ball in this instance, either from the point of entry or from the tee box and would play the first ball if its playable when you get to the hole, i.e. not in the water. Are you saying that we have the rules wrong here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭golfguy1




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭dan_ep82


    You can't play a provisional under the old system. Very similar situation in Ardee on a par3, you are meant to go over and check as any ball played after would be the ball in play. I'm not sure if the new hazard system changes that



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭blue note


    I'd like clubs to have a local rule for holes where you may / may not be in a hazard and may / may not be able to play out of it. If someone hits their ball and there's a decent chance they'll have to play 3 off the tee, I don't want them going to the fairway / green and then running back to replay their last shot. It would save time.


    It would be an advantage to the player of course. Because how playable the ball in the hazard is depends on how good their provisional ball is! I hadn't thought about it before, but on the 9th hole in corballis you can be in the lake hazard, but not quite in the water so have a very playable chip out beside the green. But you'd make sure to play a provisional in case it is gone because you don't want to look for your ball and then have to walk back around the lake to take a drop if you can't find it or it's not playable. But if you stick your provisional to within a few feet you're far more likely to play that ball than if you hit it into the water too!


    In terms of keeping things moving though, I'm glad people don't realise they're doing it wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭billy3sheets


    Isn't it a case that you must know with reasonable certainty that your ball is in the hazard? You may need to agree on that with your playing partners. If you don't know it's in the hazard, then you're entitled to play a provisional as you would in any other situation. In which case, if you do happen to find your ball in or out of the hazard, it must be considered found and in play?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭blue note


    I'd have thought that if you think it might have gone in the hazard you can play a provisional. If you find it and it's not in the hazard then that ball is in play. If you find it and it is in the hazard then the provisional is in play. What you can't do is play a provisional and then decide to take a drop from point of entry. If you could do that then you might as well always play a provisional to see how it goes and if it doesn't work out well you can always just take a drop anyway.


    If you know it's in the hazard then why would you call it a provisional? You can drop from point of entry or replay your last shot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭billy3sheets


    My point exactly. If you know or agree with your partners that it's in the hazard, then you have no case for a provisional.

    If you decide to retake from where you hit your first, then tough if you find the first, it's out of play.

    If you don't retake and you find your first, then you can play it wherever it is. If you don't find it, treat as first ball in the hazard as agreed and take a penalty drop.

    If you don't call your first as in the hazard and play a provisional, don't find it, then you must play the provisional. You can't deduce that it must have gone in the hazard and then take a drop. (If your provisional would be less advantageous than a drop for example).



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭blue note


    But what I don't want, is people thinking their ball is possibly in the hazard, but possibly playable even if it is, so they don't hit a provisional from the tee or in front of the lake. And instead go to check out their lie and if it's not worth playing going back to hit again. I'd rather they play a provisional and then be honest about whether they'd play the ball in the hazard and play it if they would have (regardless of where the provisional went). That way I get home earlier on a Sunday morning and spend less time looking at someone walk back 100 metres to play a shot.


    I know they're not the rules and rely on honesty which is not something I'd assume of golfers, but I'd rather have a few lads take advantage of the rule than watch the arse around while I want to hit the ball.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭billy3sheets


    For me, it's simple. If I play a provisional and I find the original, then the original is in play regardless of where it's found. If I don't find it then the provisional is in play.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭blue note


    It's in play if it's not in the hazard. It's not in play if it's in the hazard. Sorry, I'm guessing that's what you mean, but just in case someone thinks that if they find it in the hazard they have the option of playing out of the hazard even though they played the provisional. They don't.


    But I'm saying that people do this all the time. And I'm glad they do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭billy3sheets


    Nope, I disagree. The only reason to play a provisional is in case you can't find your original and you're not certain it's in a penalty area. So if you find your original, whether in or out of the hazard, then it's in play. If in the hazard (obviously identifiable as your ball), you have your normal hazard options - play, drop, retake.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭blue note


    A quick Google has informed me that you can only play a provisional if you think your ball may be out of bounds or lost but in play. In other words you're not allowed to play a provisional if you think your ball might be in a hazard.


    I can understand a reason for this, but I hope people don't realise it. It'll slow down rounds!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Luckycharm


    We have a hole that has a ditch (red stake), with a hedge and over the hedge is a park. Behind the hedge is a fence sometimes the ball would hit the fence and go into the ditch if lucky rough/fairway. Problem was would hit a ball and say it went into ditch when could easily have gone over hedge out of bounds. So this year they just said anything goes into the ditch even rolling is out of bounds (white stakes), it has taken all the ambiguity out of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭Miley Byrne


    This was explained above and I hope people haven't been making up rules just to suit themselves. 🤷‍♂️



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil




  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    I imagine greens like that would be no fun for regular golfers. Would love to try them, but bloody hell it'd be tough.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Anyone ever done any caddying (caddieing??)?

    Was chatting to a neighbour who caddies at a local club, and makes a bloody fortune apparently. Was thinking i'd stick my name down, try make a few bob.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,839 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Girlfriend’s Dad did It at a Premium course in the Midwest. Money itself is good once you get your tips -

    But

    You we’re expected to turn up 45-60 mins early for your round to ‘chat/hang around’ with the other caddies

    You really had to be consistent with taking slots and couldn’t decide to yourself ‘ah i won’t bother for a couple of weeks’

    Some Players were downright blunt in saying ‘please don’t talk to me when I’m playing’ type stuff and we’re not pleasant (funnily enough moreso Irish people)

    A small cut was taking from your Round fee (can’t remember why) - Full tip you kept to yourself. Have to have a laser distance thing I think

    Might sound like easy money but his whole day pretty much was taken up for a round



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭boccy23


    Open Golf Ireland schedule for the year. May be of interest to some on here:

    https://www.brsgolf.com/irishgolfermagazine/opens_home.php?mc_cid=36d85513a6&mc_eid=d502a82cc1



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Bahanaman


    Just wondering if people think these events are worth the entry fee?



  • Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭CSWS101


    Was wondering the same myself, saw they have some good prizes on offer but think you can play the majority of those courses (if not all) for a good bit under their fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,634 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    You are paying for the prizes and set up on the day really.

    You get announced on the first tee. Goodie bag and food whole way around the course, and a lot of prizes



  • Registered Users Posts: 38 scotty_golf9




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭blue note


    A quick moan:


    I paid €1,200 for new irons at Christmas. I'd two rounds booked in over the break, including a treat in Portmarnock links. Then I was a close contact so had to cancel them even though I felt great.


    I finally got out for a round on 8th Jan and it was lovely. And I'd two weeks parents leave booked in for he last two weeks on January. The wife is going back to work so we're weaning the child onto the childminder. The plan was a lesson and range sessions on week 1 while we're doing half days then 3 rounds in week two when we're doing full days. Including the treat being one of the rounds in Portmarnock links, having missed out on it in December.


    But, then I slipped going down the stairs last weekend. I swapped the lesson for a physio appointment and time in the range for time lying down for some relief. I've only noticed some signs of recovery last night, but I still cancelled the first of the three rounds. Because I still have to do parenting, and I also didn't want to jeopardise the rounds at the end of the week. The latest is that my childminder has a covid case in her house, so she's out for the week. As are my rounds on Thursday and Friday.


    I thought I'd be able to train myself a little on the new clubs, because I'm making a couple of changes with them. But instead, by the time I get to practice with them I'll have forgotten what I was planning on changing!


    I know this is a first world loan - I'm but getting to play with my new toys. But it is very frustrating!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭bakerbhoy




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    From that app? Considering the WHS apps in England, Wales and Scotland don't work when outside your location (or Golf Irelands for that matter, they are reskinned versions of the same app) I wouldn't be holding my breath for that to come to Ireland. It would require opening up API access in order to reference scores recorded on Golf Ireland and I doubt there's a single club in Ireland that has the IT facility to allow a public pull of data from tee sheets unless BRS can facilitate that. Not sure what that would achieve anyway.


    You won't stop people who are determined to game the system, doubt this app would do much. The issue IMO is club committees are not strong enough on obvious h'cap manipulation when it occurs. I also think its a much smaller issue than some people think it is so that investment for the above app to work is a waste of resources IMO.



  • Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Time hasn’t stopped Colin Montgomerie from being the one of the most dislikable lads who ever put on a pair of golf shoes.

    A classic snotty bore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Bahanaman


    As someone who has never played forged irons before, is there really that much of a difference between them and cast? Like many, I've come back to the game during the pandemic and the addiction is still the same! The game is improving all the time and I'm wondering if playing forged irons might help bring me on a bit more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭bakerbhoy


    Forged/Forged type are more consistent with distance.

    If you hit 7 iron 150 .160 or 170 etc

    That's what you can expect each time. It won't be 150 ....180

    Cast /distance irons tend to have hot spots on the face, where you get the occasional bullet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭dan_ep82


    From my own experience, no, none at all except sound/feel. The real benefit is you can bend them more than cast so they can be fit to a wider range.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭SuprSi


    I'm sure some of you will have heard of Phil Kenyon, the putting coach? He's opened an online academy (https://philkenyonputting.com/) with loads of videos, drills, exercises, etc. with the aim of making you a better putter. I've tuned into his free videos as he usually does a series of 5 around Christmas, and they're very good. However, his academy is nearly £400 to join for a year, which is a lot of money. You can pay monthly, but it's still a lot.

    I'm wondering whether that kind of money would be better spent going to an actual putting coach a few times, and having in-person lessons. I've never been to a specialised putting coach and it's an area of my game that could do with significant improvement and I wonder whether online lessons would help me improve enough to warrant the cost.

    Any thoughts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,750 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    It be much better spent buying a new driver :-)

    Messing but definitely in person lessons is surely better value for money. Particularly for something like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Seems crazy money to me for online videos, I'd imagine wry similar would be available for free on YouTube.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I would definitely spend the money on lessons rather than something online. There are any amount of videos with tips on youtube for free if that way inclined.


    The big difference between a pro and online is the Pro will tell you what you are actually doing vs what you might think you are doing. This goes for all aspects of the game and not just putting. A lot of the time we think we are doing one thing are are doing the opposite or nothing like what we expect.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Bahanaman


    That's not the answer I wanted to hear!😁 People were supposed to come on here in their droves and say forged clubs are hugely superior in every way. What have I done?!!😣



  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭The Guru 123


    Maybe a slightly off the wall random thought and I know it won't happen, but isn't 18 holes quiet a lot? I think one of Golfs biggest issues is how time consuming it is. 4 hours to play a round is a fairly serious time commitment.

    Would people think it would be a reasonable idea to reduce it to 16 holes? First off this would shave 25 minutes or so off a round.

    Secondly most golf clubs have little or no proper practice facilities. This would allow them convert 2 of the holes into a proper practice area (and the tees and greens would already be in place) and virtually every club could then with a little investment have very good practice facilities.

    Just a (random) thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,750 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    18 holes are fine the way they are.

    If I only have 2 hours to spare then I will play 9 holes

    If I have 3 hours to spare I will play 12

    Golf is at its most popular at present



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    I'd be in favour of more 6, 9 & 12 hole comps.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    I don't disagree with you but I think we're a long way away from that becoming reality. There are way too many traditionalists who would vote against any attempt to change a course like that. You only need to look at how people think of 9 hole scoring rounds on WHS for an idea of the shitstorm that would be created by something like that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭plumber77


    I love 18 whether it's 4hrs or more. I thinks it's time well spent away from hectic lifestyles and phones. I'd probably add 2 instead of taking away 2



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