Random Golf Thoughts

Ivefoundgod · 15-12-2021 8:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118325964#Comment_118325964

I actually ended up getting an M5 GPS after all 😀 Got a great deal on a demo model so couldn't turn it down. 36 hole model too so I'm delighted even though I doubt I'd ever need the extra battery. I do find the GPS handy in the limited use its got since I bought it but I do still rely on the watch for distances. One thing that annoys me about the M5 GPS is I can't seem to change it from hole layout to green or vice versa. It seems to automatically either show the layout if I'm on the tee and then on its the green only which is annoying where you are too far back to go for the green and want to see what kind of yardage it is to a hazard/landing zone. Is this me being thick or is there a way to do that?

higster · 15-12-2021 9:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327583#Comment_118327583

https://www.motocaddy.com/uk/amfile/file/download/file/76/product/793/

See screen layout on manual where says hazard press on that on the screen and should rotate through layout, green, hazards etc as needed

Make sure to update to latest software. Do it on wifi, can be a bit fiddly and took a few goes (eg won’t work on a wifi network that does not have a password).

Ivefoundgod · 15-12-2021 11:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327743#Comment_118327743

Thanks Higster, will give that a go. I think it might be the software is out of date, don't think I even tried updating it when I got it. I'm sure I tried the hazard option to cycle through the views but got nowhere. One thing I really like is how easy it is to just slide the pin that's on the layout to where you are looking to hit to, really makes it quick and easy to see what you're up against. Played RCD last week for the first time and it was really useful on the tee to check distances. I think someone else recommended the GPS and said its a lifesaver once you have it and I'm inclined to agree now that I have that I'd struggle to go back to not having it there on the screen. Still use the watch though as my pain point of reference.

redzerdrog · 16-12-2021 11:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118325657#Comment_118325657

Only played it the once and hated the place

Kiith · 17-12-2021 6:26pm

Rules question for you lot, that i was curious/annoyed about at the time, and only really remembered this week.

Played some matchplay last year, and there was a hole that had a right dogleg around the coast. Red stakes around it, but the tide was out. I of course hit my drive in there. Hit a provisional into a not great spot, and moved on. When i got down near the beach, i could see my ball was sitting up nicely and playable, and in a much better position to approach the green. I assumed i could play it, but the opposing team said that local rules don't allow you to play it from there, and i'd have to play my provisional.

Do local rules trump GUI rules?

golfguy1 · 17-12-2021 10:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118338775#Comment_118338775

can't play a provisional when ball in warer hazard so 1st ball is out of play and you must play with provo.

nothing to do with local rules

Kiith · 17-12-2021 11:29pm

How come we see pro's playing out of water then? And if the tide is out, and there's no water, is that still not allowed? I thought red stakes allowed you to play if you find it.

I don't really care, its done, just curious.

spacecoyote · 17-12-2021 11:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118340532#Comment_118340532

Yeah, you can play if you find it, but not if you've already reloaded as far as I know.

Basically, the idea is there's no such thing as a provisional for hazards

Mantis Toboggan · 18-12-2021 7:49am

But if the water hazard is deemed out of bounds then surely the provisional is in play?

Miley Byrne · 21-12-2021 4:09pm

If he saw his ball enter the hazard (now called a penalty area but lets call it a hazard in this instance) then he can't play a provisional. He has 3 options. 1. Play the ball as it lies in the hazard (no penalty) 2. Take a penalty drop from the point of entry to the hazard (penalty of one stroke). 3. Replay his last stroke under penalty of one stroke ie hit his 3rd shot off the tee.

Basically if he hits another ball off the tee then this ball is the ball in play.

Lefty2Guns · 21-12-2021 5:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118356756#Comment_118356756

My course has a par 3 water hole that you can't see if your ball has cleared the water due to reeds in the hazard/water. We generally play a provisional ball in this instance, either from the point of entry or from the tee box and would play the first ball if its playable when you get to the hole, i.e. not in the water. Are you saying that we have the rules wrong here?

golfguy1 · 21-12-2021 8:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118357212#Comment_118357212

I would think ye are incorrect

dan_ep82 · 21-12-2021 9:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118357212#Comment_118357212

You can't play a provisional under the old system. Very similar situation in Ardee on a par3, you are meant to go over and check as any ball played after would be the ball in play. I'm not sure if the new hazard system changes that

blue note · 22-12-2021 11:52am

I'd like clubs to have a local rule for holes where you may / may not be in a hazard and may / may not be able to play out of it. If someone hits their ball and there's a decent chance they'll have to play 3 off the tee, I don't want them going to the fairway / green and then running back to replay their last shot. It would save time.

It would be an advantage to the player of course. Because how playable the ball in the hazard is depends on how good their provisional ball is! I hadn't thought about it before, but on the 9th hole in corballis you can be in the lake hazard, but not quite in the water so have a very playable chip out beside the green. But you'd make sure to play a provisional in case it is gone because you don't want to look for your ball and then have to walk back around the lake to take a drop if you can't find it or it's not playable. But if you stick your provisional to within a few feet you're far more likely to play that ball than if you hit it into the water too!

In terms of keeping things moving though, I'm glad people don't realise they're doing it wrong.

billy3sheets · 22-12-2021 12:17pm

Isn't it a case that you must know with reasonable certainty that your ball is in the hazard? You may need to agree on that with your playing partners. If you don't know it's in the hazard, then you're entitled to play a provisional as you would in any other situation. In which case, if you do happen to find your ball in or out of the hazard, it must be considered found and in play?

blue note · 22-12-2021 12:29pm

I'd have thought that if you think it might have gone in the hazard you can play a provisional. If you find it and it's not in the hazard then that ball is in play. If you find it and it is in the hazard then the provisional is in play. What you can't do is play a provisional and then decide to take a drop from point of entry. If you could do that then you might as well always play a provisional to see how it goes and if it doesn't work out well you can always just take a drop anyway.

If you know it's in the hazard then why would you call it a provisional? You can drop from point of entry or replay your last shot.

billy3sheets · 22-12-2021 1:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118360318#Comment_118360318

My point exactly. If you know or agree with your partners that it's in the hazard, then you have no case for a provisional.

If you decide to retake from where you hit your first, then tough if you find the first, it's out of play.

If you don't retake and you find your first, then you can play it wherever it is. If you don't find it, treat as first ball in the hazard as agreed and take a penalty drop.

If you don't call your first as in the hazard and play a provisional, don't find it, then you must play the provisional. You can't deduce that it must have gone in the hazard and then take a drop. (If your provisional would be less advantageous than a drop for example).

blue note · 22-12-2021 1:25pm

But what I don't want, is people thinking their ball is possibly in the hazard, but possibly playable even if it is, so they don't hit a provisional from the tee or in front of the lake. And instead go to check out their lie and if it's not worth playing going back to hit again. I'd rather they play a provisional and then be honest about whether they'd play the ball in the hazard and play it if they would have (regardless of where the provisional went). That way I get home earlier on a Sunday morning and spend less time looking at someone walk back 100 metres to play a shot.

I know they're not the rules and rely on honesty which is not something I'd assume of golfers, but I'd rather have a few lads take advantage of the rule than watch the arse around while I want to hit the ball.

billy3sheets · 22-12-2021 1:33pm

For me, it's simple. If I play a provisional and I find the original, then the original is in play regardless of where it's found. If I don't find it then the provisional is in play.

blue note · 22-12-2021 1:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118360633#Comment_118360633

It's in play if it's not in the hazard. It's not in play if it's in the hazard. Sorry, I'm guessing that's what you mean, but just in case someone thinks that if they find it in the hazard they have the option of playing out of the hazard even though they played the provisional. They don't.

But I'm saying that people do this all the time. And I'm glad they do.

billy3sheets · 22-12-2021 2:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118360723#Comment_118360723

Nope, I disagree. The only reason to play a provisional is in case you can't find your original and you're not certain it's in a penalty area. So if you find your original, whether in or out of the hazard, then it's in play. If in the hazard (obviously identifiable as your ball), you have your normal hazard options - play, drop, retake.

blue note · 22-12-2021 2:46pm

A quick Google has informed me that you can only play a provisional if you think your ball may be out of bounds or lost but in play. In other words you're not allowed to play a provisional if you think your ball might be in a hazard.

I can understand a reason for this, but I hope people don't realise it. It'll slow down rounds!

Luckycharm · 22-12-2021 4:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118361018#Comment_118361018

We have a hole that has a ditch (red stake), with a hedge and over the hedge is a park. Behind the hedge is a fence sometimes the ball would hit the fence and go into the ditch if lucky rough/fairway. Problem was would hit a ball and say it went into ditch when could easily have gone over hedge out of bounds. So this year they just said anything goes into the ditch even rolling is out of bounds (white stakes), it has taken all the ambiguity out of it.

Miley Byrne · 22-12-2021 4:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118361018#Comment_118361018

This was explained above and I hope people haven't been making up rules just to suit themselves. 🤷‍♂️

The Black Oil · 02-01-2022 4:45pm

Janey mack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1dLlAQSVEo

Kiith · 03-01-2022 11:01am

I imagine greens like that would be no fun for regular golfers. Would love to try them, but bloody hell it'd be tough.

Kiith · 12-01-2022 2:47pm

Anyone ever done any caddying (caddieing??)?

Was chatting to a neighbour who caddies at a local club, and makes a bloody fortune apparently. Was thinking i'd stick my name down, try make a few bob.

callaway92 · 13-01-2022 10:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118461289#Comment_118461289

Girlfriend’s Dad did It at a Premium course in the Midwest. Money itself is good once you get your tips -

But

You we’re expected to turn up 45-60 mins early for your round to ‘chat/hang around’ with the other caddies

You really had to be consistent with taking slots and couldn’t decide to yourself ‘ah i won’t bother for a couple of weeks’

Some Players were downright blunt in saying ‘please don’t talk to me when I’m playing’ type stuff and we’re not pleasant (funnily enough moreso Irish people)

A small cut was taking from your Round fee (can’t remember why) - Full tip you kept to yourself. Have to have a laser distance thing I think

Might sound like easy money but his whole day pretty much was taken up for a round