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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭loughside


    "Another 5,109 PCR test-confirmed cases of coronavirus were reported in the Republic of Ireland on Friday,

    Another 4,482 antigen test-confirmed cases of coronavirus were reported in the Republic of Ireland on Friday,

    There were 649 patients with Covid-19 in hospitals in the Republic of Ireland on Friday,

    There were 66 patients with Covid-19 in hospital intensive care units "


    that's right lads it`s over,..... nothing to see here, move along....



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its clear to anyone paying attention that it isn't a concern. What more do you expect us to know in a month or two? Even our super conservative NPHET recognise it. This is where you lose people, there is no logic to what you are saying. You have added on an arbitrary month or two with no basis whatsoever



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    How is it ever "illogical" in such a situation to suggest more data leads to a more informed decision?

    As the oft-repeated mantra on here goes, the data so far suggests it is a disease of the elderly and unwell - you can forgive the elderly and unwell for being more cautious than those who weren't in much danger before and are in even less danger now..



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I never said it would lead to a less informed decision. However, despite some seemingly thinking otherwise, there is a cost to waiting, to wanting others to wait with you. This is all fine in a vacuum, but these people clearly want others restricted due to their concerns. How long should we pander to that?

    The data on Omicron is abundantly clear, what is going to change to inform their decision in the next two months? They certainly won't be any more vaccinated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    So the prevailing boards wisdom is no longer for the elderly/vulnerable/afraid to cocoon themselves at home, so that everyone else can get on with their lives unencumbered? Is that now acknowledged as unfeasible?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I don't know the answer to that, but I'm defo not spokesperson for the prevailing boards opinion. Also not sure I'm reading the question right.

    Elderly who still wish to cocoon can still do so?



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Apparently because I posted 3 times I now represent the prevailing boards opinion, as it suits his argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Don't let your head get too big there, Adam. Many posters have said throughout that the elderly/unwell/concerned should mind their own business and let others go about their business as usual.



  • Posts: 158 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is Delta still around? Our whole house tested positive in October besides our teenage daughter. She has now tested positive since Wednesday but we are all still negative even on PCR. Is it possible she has Delta because we were all around her loads in the days before/ of the positive test? Just want to see if we might be out of the woods. Thanks



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    We are at a stage that it really has to come down to making personal choices. So those that are elderly/vulnerable have to make decisions according to that, depending on their circumstances. Equally, those that are younger or healthy will want to carry out normal lives as much as possible, which is pretty much where we are, other than irritating covid tests to travel, and masks in shops which perhaps are a bit dubious at this point. (If masks are worn to protect the shop workers, why aren't customers of hospitality having to wear masks to protect the bar staff? Not arguing for this, just saying!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    I was down in Tullamore over the weekend doing work in a friends apartment.

    The balcony overlooks a beer garden that was hopping with a DJ from about 6pm. Felt weird even observing it from afar, it's like my mind was processing witnessing a crime in progress. Gonna take some time to unlearn this reaction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Not really in situations where people who live with them aren't also cocooning, no. In some other situations, of course, they can.



  • Posts: 543 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Delta is still around but not at any meaningful level. If your daughter is positive it is very likely Omicron. If you're recovered and vaccinated it may have been enough to protect you from infection. You should continue to follow the close contact guidelines for the next few days but you'll probably be fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Yes, but only a very small proportion of cases. Spread can be a bit uneven or unpredictable. In my brother's family one kid tested positive on antigen, then two days later everyone else did except the mother. She kept coming back negative on antigens and didn't come up on PCR until 7 days after the original positive. Then her antigens started coming up positive. So it can be really odd. Down to various factors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I don't know what the solution to that may be.

    However I do believe that at some point we need to get away from the idea that we can and/or must protect everyone who chooses to cocoon by forever restricting everyone else.

    And I also believe with the current risk rates through vaccinations and the milder and now dominant form of omicron surely that point has already been reached. And it appears that even our officials are thinking the same.

    The alternative would be waiting for zero covid / full sterile immunity which so far appears to be pie-in-the-sky stuff. We could be waiting for that a long long time or forever even.

    I do understand there will be people struggling to accept whatever risk remains but what is the alternative? Numbers suggest that we certainly are now in the area of corona-is-the-flu (or less even). When do the most risk averse think we can stop?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,684 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    I feel like there's been very poor communication with how much weaker Omicron is to other variants and I suspect it's because it's not politically opportune to ever acknowledge this since they'd rather backslap themselves for the vaccination program and restrictions rather than accept the pandemic has potentially been ended by a factor completely out of their control.

    The data currently on deaths and ICU with the omicron variant would suggest there's no significant threat to life to anyone in any sort of age or underlying condition bracket. Nobody should be cocooning or feel like they have to cocoon at present but I'd understand with the fear and anxiety of a much greater threat over the past two years why many would be reluctant to change so quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,654 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The story that just won't die - Japanese trials of ivermectin show an "antiviral effect" against omicron variant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    I agree the communication has been very poor, I keep reading things like "It's believed Omicron could be milder" and "Omicron may be less serious than other variants", implying that it's still unknown.

    Obviously it is milder so why not say so.

    A lot of people will only watch the likes of RTE and if they're reading vague information like the above then no wonder they're confused and concerned about the sudden reopening.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Japan only has that now 😲 Sure didn't Boards have this scoop a year ago 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    said on Monday anti-parasite drug ivermectin showed an "antiviral effect" against Omicron and other variants of coronavirus in joint non-clinical research.

    So, non-human trials, i.e. stuff in petri dishes.

    We knew this two years ago. It showed some promise in the lab. Outside of the lab, it failed to deliver any benefit at all.

    I wonder does Kowa manufacturer Ivermectin.

    Edit: Other sources say that they're in Phase 3 trials at the moment. Still no data though, just the words "antiviral effect" without context or elaboration 🤷‍♂️

    I wonder is this a badly interpreted statement re-reported as news.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,654 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    From press release it sounds like theyre doing human trials, as they talk about safe dosages. Only place I can find translated press release is below:

    Japanese: https://www.kowa.co.jp/news/2022/press220131.pdf



  • Posts: 695 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The communication on everything has been dire and the communication betwen Donnolly and Holohan re antigen tests is bizarre, no other words for it.

    You would think antigen werent being used by other European countries or the Uk and being used for months to open up safely. They are being discussed as if they are some snake oil product being used by halfwits who just want to go to the pub. The antigen tests were actually being bought by people in an effort to keep themselves and their families safe.

    In the correspondence there is great talk about an education campaign to show the public how to use the tests, another opportunity to give RTE more taxpayers money, this was in November 2021 and the only education we ever got re antigen tests was how to use butter to fake results. Surely at all those unending press conferences someone could have demonstrated how to use an antigen test,its not splitting the atom stuff.

    The lack of communication around masks in bizarre too, so many elderly people wearing cloth masks which are of no benefit to them at all. How hard would it be to run a few adds prmoting a better quality masks,I mean we are only going into a third year of covid at this stage. But no stupid pointless adds about people thanking each other for staying at home,load of utter codswallop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Very much wait and see. Quite a few potential hopefuls have been brilliant in petri dishes but failed outside of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,654 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Press release claims they're conducting phase 3 trials which would be conducted in humans. Presumably if they have observed an "antiviral effect" this would not be solely in vitro as theyd have enough data from human trials by this stage, otherwise why announce you saw an effect in preclinical trials, but not in phase I, II and III trials?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's an extremely vague press release. It could be the Japanese way of drafting such things but as it's an approved and safe drug they can probably go straight to Phase III to work out dosage. Long way to go and it could be yet another false dawn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,654 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    as it's an approved and safe drug they can go straight to Phase III to work out dosage.

    oh crap yeah I forgot - they may well have done that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,346 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    I know it isn't covid related but how come we never hear the trolley numbers like we did pre covid?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Just tested positive for Covid, first time i guess it was inevitable at some stage,

    I reckon the little one brought it home from school, she was coughing over the weekend and tested positive yesterday, We are the only 2 to not have caught uptothis point and now are the only 2 with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,810 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    I wonder who is going to be the first country that will actively promote just ignoring it and treat it like any regular illness? More and more people I know are just getting a light illness and finding the long wait at home unnecessary. Surely that brave decision can't be far away and plenty are currently ignoring it anyways.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    I’m probably jinxing it here, but it does have the feeling we could be near the end of the Pandemic phase now. We’re probably still in the paranoid mindset of waiting for another Variant but you couldn’t blame us for that.

    on a side note, I gave up the smokes recently and there’s not a hope I’d even tackle that when all this sh1t came in nearly two years ago, so there’s that on a pure selfish level.



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