Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Well, the the Ukrainians will answer the call to arms, just a question of getting enough arms for all of them, and that's literally a work in progress. Extended supply likes? If the US get involved, you can be sure that the EU will also be involved, so plenty of bases nearby to resupply from, not to mention that they will have access to Ukraine itself. In any case, distance has never been a major problem for the US,,,anywhere in the world. I guess you have never seen the US military Logistics in action? Then the jibe about pronouns,,,,Bullshit. I've seen them up close and personal in action, and its not their pronouns the enemy will be worried about. Don't read too much into Russian propaganda. A pound to a penny, the US military have now ( and for quite awhile, years in fact ) planning in place for just such a scenario as is developing ( and lot of other scenarios too, world wide )

They didn't roll over last time when Russia invaded and tried in vein to sieze more land and ports .

The Ukrainians are better trained , equipped and paid than previously and the minor issue of they hate russians

Spain sending a warship to the blacksea, Brits sending new gen anti tank equipment, Canada also sending a warship.

Be interesting to see if the US, Italian and Turkish forces in exercise in the Med might be making a course change.

Russia won't go beyond the Dnieper River. They basically just want Luhansk, Donbass and maybe Kharkov. The areas of Ukraine with strong Russian ties.

They most certainly won't be trying to take a city like Kiev. The Easy oblasts in East that have large ethnic russian influence

The US state Department gave the go ahead to lativa , Estonia and Lithuania to transfer US weapons to Ukraine , including artillery , javelin anti tank missiles and stringer anti aircraft missiles ,

The last time Russia went against forces with stingers missles they lost over 300 aircraft in Afghanistan.

He has a 900k men soldier and 2 million reserves. Of that 900k about a third are conscripts..

Where else is he going to go and if where else could he hold?

I think so as well, the Ukraine has 40million in it, that's a big country and holding it would be very difficult.

The Dnieper is a natural border for them, takes the best of the land, makes the rest of the Ukraine unviable.

They make also take the land and connect up with Trans Dniester holding.

Who knows though, who ever thought we'd be dealing with a pandemic and looking at the possibility of a large scale war in Europe again.

They have already been arriving regularly into ukraine , most antitank missiles don't need a lot of training to use effectively ,at this stage they are nearly point , lock and shoot ,drop and walk or run away pretty much like a law or rpg kids can pick them up,

and Ukrainian forces have been receiving training from nato forces for the last 7 years

Ukraine vs Russia

Ukraine Out numbered and out gunned but yet they held off Russian forces for over 7 years ,and they have massively reorganized , equipped and trained better year on year

Again, all of this just seems to be based on the fact that the Kremlin does not want Ukraine to join NATO. Really doesn't want it. From that perspective all this brinksmanship makes sense. It's pretty inevitable that Ukraine will join NATO, so Putin has decided that if he creates an absolute shitstorm out of this, rattles markets, brings the whole thing to the very edge, it's the only way they will get the US/West/NATO to rethink granting Ukraine membership. He has to make the whole thing so unpalatable.

In terms of something actually happening, perhaps a minor incursion could be on the cards to test Western resolve and European solidarity, but personally, I very much doubt Putin actually plans to literally invade Ukraine. It makes no sense from a Russian perspective, they get screwed economically, they become a global pariah (worse than they already are), they lose the European gas market (they aren't doing enough new business in China to replace it), they'd have casualties, could lead to all sorts of global complications. They'd lose so much and gain so little.

The Russian lads must be freezing their bollix off waiting for Vlad to make up his mind.

Seem the Russian government is asking Putin to officially recognise the two separatists areas of east ukraine as Sovereign independent states who can then vote to join Russia this allowing the build up of troops to enter Ukraine proper to aid in another annexation.

So... Russia, which has massed 127,000 troops and supporting artillery and armaments on the Ukraine border, is definitely not going to invade, right?? But, somehow, Ukraine could start a major war by attempting to take back land, (their own land!!) which was illegally annexed by Russia. There is no evidence anywhere that Ukraine is planning to do that. But somehow conflict would be Ukraine fault???