Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Ten of Swords

Mod - leave out the personal digs about each other. Let's get back on topic

Elmer Blooker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118483939#Comment_118483939

American AirPower did a great job bombing Mosul to dust, thousands of men women and children blown to bits. The true figure will never be known with many corpses still lie beneath the rubble.

Shame about the collateral damage but it has to be done to spread democracy eh?

Not sure why you bring up Syria but the reality is Assad is still there because the people of Syria defended their secular republic because they didn’t want to live under medieval sharia law.

Gatling

@Elmer Blooker

American AirPower did a great job bombing Mosul to dust, thousands of men women and children blown to bits.

There not Russia .....🛩️🛩️🛩️

Gatling

Microsoft has come out and said they found massive amount of Malware which was used as part of the cyberattacks on Ukrainian government offices and websites over the last few days , Microsoft believe the attacks involved a Belarusians using software from Russian intelligence service who also carry out attacks elsewhere in the world

animalinside

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118485732#Comment_118485732

Ah the old "Russian cyberattacks are hacking!!11!!1" trope being wheeled out again - spying on hostile nations has always been considered as expected and fair game. Every intelligence/spy agency tries to spy on their international opponents (and often their allies as well, remember how the US was caught red-handed having bugged Merkhel's phone?) - it's literally in the name - spy agency.

I'd be a lot more worried if Ukraine WASN'T being spied on, then you'd really start to wonder what the hell was causing this abnormal behaviour that it was irrelevant to Russia.

Kermit.de.frog

The asshole in Belarus getting involved

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/17/russia-moves-troops-to-belarus-for-joint-exercises-near-ukraine-border

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491345#Comment_118491345

Joint operation , Belarus attack from their border , Russia comes through east Ukraine,and takes and holds everything on the coast of the black sea .

A possibility of what could happen ,why else would putin several hundred thousand troops brought from Siberia ,central Russia ,and units close to North Korea ,

These are not normal troop movement for russia

BurgerFace

Poroshenko back to face the music.

Bring it back, bring it back to Kiev.

BurgerFace

Didn't Russia save us all from Nazism?

I'm watching the BBC now and it is laughable. We have a berk from America talking about how Ukraine ought to be allowed to join the EU.

An American?

Most EU member citizens are up in arms about a bunch of Romanians floating around Convent Garden stealing the odd smart phone. They don't want the Turks anywhere NEAR the EU, yet the Americans are stating that Ukraine should be part of the operation. HAHA!

This is talk and more talk...and yet more WESTERN TALK. According to the law Russia can park a MILLION soldiers wherever it wants within its own country. It can also fly all over the place within international airspace. None of this crap amounts to a hill of beans.

We'll get the same old tired, worn out second hand sentences about how Russia is about to take over Europe or how China is about to blitz Taiwan and then turn around and gas another few million Uighurs. Maybe Iran are about to "wipe Israel of the map", yet again.

BurgerFace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118476352#Comment_118476352

If you had the largest arsenal of missiles in the world, enough tanks that you could park them all side by side and walk across them from Moscow to Egypt, if you had such an ability as to determine who became president of the US, if you could control whether we all freeze, then why would you wait for a second and not smash Ukraine to rubble and then take over the Baltics and then gobble up Kazakhstan and then take over little Poland?

Seems to me like a logical move. If I had all this muscle I would go stomping all over the place. Except the Russians aren't. They aren't interested. They don't want Tallinn. They don't want Helsinki. They sure as hell don't want Paris or London or Athenry, despite what you want people to think. Russia doesn't want a thing to do with the "west". The "west" however, wants Russia. And that's it.

BurgerFace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118476712#Comment_118476712

Russia bore the brunt of the Wehrmacht.

5 MILLION German troops marched into Russia in Barbarossa and massacred millions. MILLIONS, Gatling, MILLIONS. Maybe the horrible crap of people being bombed by Heinkels and Stukas in the snows of the steppes isn't as glamourous for you as maybe the Hollywood depictions in the warm and gentle climes of the Ardennes with the sexy beret-wearing Resistance babe.

But please don't try to blag people off that the Russians don't fight, large, small or any other way. Your lovely mates in Washington love to call the French a shower of cowards. The French are the most successful land army EVER. I like to remind people who don't know what the fcuk they are on about that...these French fought for 6 weeks against the German Army. Such was the outcome that the Germans, when the French were defeated, allowed them to retreat, not only with their banners but also under arms. 100,000 French soldiers died in 6 weeks in the Battle of France. That's twice the amount of Americans who dies in Vietnam in 10 years and these are the guys who are calling the French chickens and crying about their defeat in Saigon.

So please choose your words carefully before you label the Russians as a bunch of hit and run merchants.

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058195983/russia

Are you sure all of this is your actual opinion and not just your opinion from watching the western media narrative.

How Russia is portrayed in western media would certainly make anyone have your opinion if they didn't open their mind on the subject and look at the actual facts.

The facts are in the last 20 years the USA and UK have destroyed nations like Iraq with an illegal war, turned one of the most well off African nations (Libya) into war torn rubble, caused the deaths of millions of innocent men, women and children and yet people like yourself seem to believe that Vladimir Putin is the bad guy

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492712#Comment_118492712

Yes you're right, the Soviet Union defeated Hitler almost single handed although a lot of people don't realise it as the the US and UK paint this picture that it was them who defeated hitler.

BurgerFace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492732#Comment_118492732

Can anyone explain to me why it's OK for the UK to send troops to Ukraine but it's not ok for the Russians to do the same?

(BECAUSE THE REDS ARE GOING TO INVADE!! THE BRITS ARE GOING TO SAVE THEM!!)

The Brits are "trainers"...that's acceptable. The Russkis are "peacekeepers"....that's NOT acceptable.

Maybe if we re-label anyone as an "observer" or a "dignitary" or a "security assistant" or any other such crap then it will all be ok.

And in other news.....every plane is about to fall out of the sky because of 5G. It was never tested, of course, all planes are now going to have problems. Nobody tested 5G against anything....EVER, least of all against aircraft navigations systems. It's just going to roll out and the entire airline fleet will drop from the skies.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492732#Comment_118492732

No .

SortingYouOut

The one thing I've taken on board from following conflicts over the years is to take anything said from either side with a pinch of salt. I definitely wouldn't believe any intelligence coming from the NATO side, particularly the US. They've proven in the recent past that their word isn't worth anything when it comes to on-the-ground information prior to a potential conflict. Russia has its red flags too, so there's no real way of knowing what is actually going on, we can only speculate and wait for time to reveal the truth.

shillyshilly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492744#Comment_118492744

this is going to get a little heavy in concepts, so hold tight and try keep your attention...

Ukraine don't want Russian troops in their country or Russia to take any more land from them

The UK offered training and weapons to Ukraine to help stop this, and Ukraine said yes...

I know that was tough to get your head around, but just red over it a few times and it might stick...

As for 5G... just no

Gatling

@BurgerFace Can anyone explain to me why it's OK for the UK to send troops to Ukraine but it's not ok for the Russians to do the same....

Because the UK ,US ,Canada, Nato were asked to send military specialists to Ukraine by the elected Ukrainian government.

Russia are currently illegally occupating parts of Ukraine, who asked them to send troops into Ukraine ......

"Nobody"

Polar101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492727#Comment_118492727

Have they figured out how to start the T14 tanks yet (coming to a war near you very soon, if they can afford to build any)?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492744#Comment_118492744

Are you ok? 5g. What?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118493278#Comment_118493278

We finally solved the issue.

5G

Gatling

So china's fault now???

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492839#Comment_118492839

That's the thing though, even after all the lies even Irish people take their word as gospel, mainly because it's programmed into their brains that anything coming from mainstream media must be the truth.

Like the Salford poisoning for example, not many people questioned that maybe it wasn't the Russians who done the poisoning but MI5 said it was, so therefore the media said it was so therefore it has to be true.

MarkEadie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497989#Comment_118497989

Perhaps Irish people are not as stupid as you think? If a country willingly lied about wmds in Iraq to justify an invasion then it's quite astounding that you wouldn't give Irish people, or any people, the credit to be able to question the stories coming from that side in this situation. Instead you seem to think Irish people are intellectually challenged? You certainly seem to think you are smarter than Irish people in general. Not sure where this type of delusion comes from but I suggest you rethink your logic there. What makes you so much better than Irish people that demonstrates you have such a superior intellect?

shillyshilly

threw this in another thread... thought it was valid here too

While I appreciate the sentiments of the arguments about who and what to believe.... there is enough correlated OSINT floating around to come to some general conclusions:

-Russia are building up invasion strength forces on the Ukrainian boarder, on both Russian and Belarusian sides

-They have bolstered defences in Kaliningrad

-They have 4 huge landing craft in the Baltic which will possibly used as a diversionary tactic on a neutral nation (Finland/Sweden, Gotland being pitched as a likely target)

-The USAF/USN/US Army, RAF/RN, Swedish Airforce, Italian Air Force among others, don't have near continuous surveillance flights up in the Baltic and Black sea's for the craic

-At Ukraine's request, military supplies have been ferried into the country over the last few weeks

You don't even need the sensationalised/biased news reporting to find this stuff out fairly handy

starkid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492727#Comment_118492727

from their perspective this is correct. however i think the west just wants them to come in line with most of the civilised World. we can deflect and say how awful it is trying to force Russia into anything. but they have an absolute c*nt of a leader and anybody defending Putin is defending a dictatorship. also they have a history of c*nts in charge and while they did beat back the Germans in WW2 they then resolved to nearly split it apart. The US also played a massive part in winning and splitting. some of the stuff the NKVD did and that tosspot Stalin did is truly horrific. Yes its the past, the Germans were forgiven. i think some of the issue is the Russians didn´t really change deep down. also Russia does feel bitterness to the dismissal of its role in WW2 and lost 27 million people.

Now yes Ukraine is a step too far for NAto. trying to shoehorn it in is just as bad as what Putin is doing. and the people who push for it are blind to the realities. i get that. just let sleeping dogs lie and leave it be. and yes i can see it from Russia´s perspective. they needed deepwater ports and they need arrangements for long term geo political benefits. IF Russia moved stuff into MExico the US would have a hypocritical fit. all of that would be acceptable if they weren´t such dicks and run by a strong man leader who has stifled a democracy and crushed opposition. if it was a democratic country your argument would be fair. but its not. now i know its complex, i know the US overreach and the 100 years of hegemony idea from hawkish conservatives. also c*nts.

If it weren´t for nuclear power an agressive Putin led Russia would be wiped from the map. but it is and the doctine of MAD will mean he will eek out this and probably get away with it. however it will then leave the poor sob story of Russia, Putin and Westerners who defend it, in tatters.

Its servile people bowing at the foot of a declining loser. bit sad really when the likes of him killed millions upon millions of Russians.

i think most people would welcome a sound Russia with open arms.

i think if you are siding with Russia with this, in the context of the geopolitical game, you´re the enemy. AS in if you think trying to get Russia into a relatively normal and stable democratic environment is too much, well then you accept the future of a 1984 style three continent split rather than a global co-operative. and in that sense anybody defending Russia invading a neutral country to extract a buffer is an enemy of democratic principles and western values. now obviously from the Russian side they see the West as American led, liberal values etc etc. its a clash of civilisation really. and i think trying to normalise it is mainly what the west is at. the same we normalised the Germans. if thats wrong well then we are goosed no matter what.

for the record i think the 1984 idea of three super continents is probably the reality. one mistep here will cause deep divisions. war will be ruled out because of nuclear but if China then thought they´d try Taiwan the clear divsions of 3 continental powers is taking shape.

Hoop66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497989#Comment_118497989

Maybe it wasn't the Russians, whose GRU assets were in the town and who have a well documented history of using poison against "enemies of the state", who did the poisoning?

shillyshilly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498431#Comment_118498431

nah, couldn't be them, they're sound

Hoop66

Great bunch of lads

Elmer Blooker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498410#Comment_118498410

It has nothing to do with Putin, the US wants another Yeltsin so they can loot and rob the country blind AGAIN.

The ‘problem’ with Putin is that he isn’t a Yeltsin Yes Man.

It’s about Russia’s resources and not a Bond movie which is obviously the way you see the world.