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Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

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  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭Mister Vain




  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Change it from "mens" and "ladies" to "penises" and "vaginas".



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,461 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    I think it is clear that most people would not intervene when you see the amount of incidents that are filmed on camera with a crowd watching allowing it to play out.

    If I was in my own I would need to assess the situation to ensure that I could get out of the situation without getting a hiding myself. I am mo fighter so if there are 2 are more young lads there clearly intent on violence then I would get into trouble.

    I have intervened in the past where I could pull one person away and calm the situation down and another occasion I saw an elderly man hitting his wife with a walking stick repeatedly so stopping that was not difficult as I would easily have overpowered him (or both of them) were things to go pear shaped.

    I worked in the north inner city for a time and if you saw a junkie man hitting his junkie girlfriend or vice versa (which happened regularly) you just walk by as anything is liable to happen if you step up.

    In short it would really depend on the situation and how much authority you could bring with a risk assessment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Ah yes. Public toilets. As a young culshie up visiting Dublin in the late 80s the jax downstairs in Connolly Station is where I first set eyes on a Heroin addict. I was only a kid at the time so i thought it was the inaugural Dublin Zombie Street walk.

    I decided to pee elsewhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Unless it is doors you can close then there is always a chance of some young wan seeing a knob. And these days you just never know where that will lead.

    You could be down the station accused of sexual assault in minutes, just for going for a p1ss.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It makes no sense to me. At a time when women's rights movements are encouraging the belief that women are sensitive, and need personal space for themselves, regardless of the safety issues, this is being pushed.


    Personally, I see no reason to change things. It works well as it is and most people are comfortable with current setup. It's weird this desire to change everything just to satisfy a minority of people, who can't even give good reasons to change things, and little appreciation for the wide range of possible negatives that could come from changing.

    We don't need to change everything in society away from what went before. In many cases, the traditional way is better for the vast majority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,236 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    This it.....it's all about assessing the situation and the dangers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,236 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Brilliant post

    And another issue in society is the decay or standards and norms.

    Liberalism can be great, if used wisely. Society seems to be too eager to completely change everything and go from one extreme to another.

    There seems to be a lack of logic, common sense and balance everywhere.

    I am not really religious and do not attend church, but far too much the church gets bashed for everything. It's like people are so eager to bash the church, that they want to tear down anything they perceive to be associated with it. What's wrong with subtle change and tweaking?

    I'm kind of old skool. I like standards and rules and style and decorum. But I can also be free and liberal and easy going. Balance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭zv2


    That's the problem; things are being torn down and replaced with nothing so we end up with nothing.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well... while I appreciate the great intentions behind many social changes, I often wonder if people shouldn't have put more consideration into what comes after.

    Take physical punishment by parents or teachers towards minors. I understand and appreciate the desire to end abusive behavior, and I've seen most of the claims that it doesn't help much, and generally leaves scars on those punished... but at the same time, there was little interest in replacing the punishment with something else, except for vague suggestions based in psychology (but still generally unproven).

    Various posters have referred to anti-social behavior by teens, or violence in general, and I do wonder how much of that is occurring because many adults are unable to control minors without the ability to use physical punishment. There was no attempt to re/educate parents on better parenting techniques after the ban came in... and speaking as someone who has been a teacher (and has read most literature on classroom discipline), everything remains very situational, and there's a lot of situations left unsaid.. with the teachers hoping that what they do works, but no real confidence that it will. That's not to say I'm advocating a return to punishing minors physically.. I'm not. It's simply an example, of a simple change that has had influence over so many aspects of society, with there being plenty of negatives connected.

    Making changes to society and culture is generally a good thing, helping to prevent stagnation.. but.. too much change is implemented before considering the practical consequences, and what else will be affected by that change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,236 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, agreed......one change that was desperately needed was adults abusing children in schools. Horrible bastids.

    Beating kids as young as 4 years old. Depraved.

    Outlawed 1982 I think.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    That’s a whole new thread, in our school it’s was boys on one side of the school and girls in the other. On the boys side teachers were battering us right up to 5th class. It was only when I went into 6th class that is stopped. And that was because they done away with the separation of boys and girls and made the classes mixed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭zv2


    A lot of children's problems have to do with the fallout of alcohol and drug abuse. Have you seen the docu. on fentanyl abuse in America? Unbelievable.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Having thought about it for a few days I've changed my mind.

    A licensing system for men should be introduced. A few liberal minded feminists should come up with a test, which would have a written and practical dimension. I know it sounds extreme, but really, we do need radical change right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭zv2


    No. It would send out the message that men are intrinsically bad. It would make us look like uncivilized ogres. The unintended effects would be dreadful.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I agree. And if you pass the test, you need to **** off and grow up.



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  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I meant the reference more about not considering what came after, rather than the change itself. The lack of preparation in teaching parents/teachers of better methods to manage minors, and just making the change regardless. Not saying that the change shouldn't have happened. It was a great change to make, but it's more an example of ignoring what comes after change is implemented.


    Yes, I've seen a variety of documentaries on drug abuse problems in the US. It's frankly unbelievable that the Medical (and Psychology) professions were never made responsible for sheer amount of addictions they brought about, and still do to this day.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well... if we're embracing extremes, how about mandatory classes teaching women general safety techniques, lessons in interpreting body language, negotiation and conflict resolution, along with self-defense? TBH it sounds less extreme than having a license for men, when it would do nothing to deal with the minority who have no issues breaking the law. Whereas teaching women to take responsibility for their own safety, and giving them the tools to deal with conflict, would likely improve their chances of dealing with problems. But nah.. that's unreasonable.

    As for liberal minded feminists organising anything.. you should take a look at the material taught in women's studies courses.. and the dodgy research used to reinforce biases and misandry. In any case, the issue of consent classes has been talked about for years, and they still haven''t managed to determine an effective curriculum that isn't full of naive idiotic notions and vague suggestions that have little bearing on the real world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    No, it's not up to women to defend themselves.

    The licensing will sort it out I think, a tough exam will get men thinking and will see an adjustment in behaviour. Plus the knuckle draggers who fail won't be allowed out.

    I accept it's a big jump, but this is what the times do require, unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭zv2


    If we need that we need women to be vetted before going into the work place. The destructive bitchery there is depressing to see.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,236 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    She should need the license, not him.

    Women choosing scum is another issue that we need educating on......all mothers and fathers of daughters take note......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭zv2


    Psychos are not stupid. They'd talk their way round the exam with no problem. Besides, it is not the social arena in which these crimes are committed, it is on the banks of canals etc. And if they exam is only to stop sexism then feminists need to be severely vetted before being left out of the house. It's all in all a nutty idea that won't work.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No, it's not up to women to defend themselves.

    Why not? Isn't it up to every adult to defend themselves? Also I said far more than simply defending themselves. Perhaps argue as to why my extreme would be less effective than your extreme?

    The advantage of my extreme solution is that it would affect female on female violence in addition to male on female violence. What's the advantage of yours, except that women don't have to do/change anything to make it happen?

    The licensing will sort it out I think, a tough exam will get men thinking and will see an adjustment in behaviour. Plus the knuckle draggers who fail won't be allowed out.

    People typically study for an exam, learn what's needed and then forget most of what they learned after the exam is finished. Anyway, how would such an exam work? What kind of questions would be involved, and who would decide whether the answers are appropriate? What would be the consequences of failure? How do you enforce not allowing the knuckle draggers (and all those who fail exams) not being allowed out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,621 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Ah sure that sounds expensive to administer. Wouldn't it be cheaper to just provide every woman in the country with a Niqab that she can wear when she leaves the house? That way the evil men won't be tempted by her...



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