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Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

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  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    When I was younger, I used to get myself embroiled in arguments and fights on a very regular basis. I wouldnt think twice about hopping in if I saw an altercation where someone (male or female) was obviously outnumbered/vulnerable and in danger.

    Often I managed to help and get the person away, but also sometimes I was rounded on and got a bit of a hiding. I always believed I was doing the right thing and my rationale was that if I was in the same predicament, I would hope someone would help me.

    Admittedly, as I've gotten older and have kids, I have probably been less brave in intervening because too many people rely on me. I still believe that I wouldn't see someone in genuine danger without at least trying to help.

    Sadly a good proportion of the newer generation would be more likely to film it on their phone than to help.

    I hope I'm wrong.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I genuinely doubt they would. Just as I doubt that you would. There are too many risks involved for something minor like anti-social behavior, or certain types of assault. For anything more serious, I suspect most people would freeze in shock, looking for support from others before intervening and generally react too late to do more than pick up the pieces. That's simply being realistic... and promising anything else is posturing.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,785 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Start a thread complaining about travellers etc. and you'll see some of the "All men" posters insist that the problem is with a minority, not the majority and that those disagreeing with them are racists/zenophobes etc.

    The disconnect from reality is jarring.



  • Posts: 3,842 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    One of the reasons that I don’t believe in self ID, is because I do believe that men are a greater threat to women physically than other women.

    for that reason I’m in favour of some sex segregation where women feel safer. This can’t be done outdoors, obviously, nor does it implicate all men - it just says that statistically men are more dangerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,623 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Great point here. Without access to stats on the demographics of those that engage in violent attacks I'd have to fall back on personal experience so by no means a great dataset but in my experience the vast majority of those I've seen be the aggressor in any altercation, whether male or female, have been from lower socio-economic backgrounds.

    Does this make it okay to blame poor people for violence against the rest of society? No. Of course it doesn't. It makes no sense. Just as it makes no sense to blame all men for the actions of a single lunatic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Ahhhhjaysus….see what happens lads? Give em de vote and dey end up thinking dey is special…more special den every man….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    Sex segregation is certainly not a novel idea in any way shape or form. Toilets are mostly segregated, dormitories in educational institutions, separate mens and womens wards in hospitals and other places such as residential care institutions for the disabled, women only gyms, single sex schools, changing rooms in sports facilties etc. Swimming pools, etc. It is very firmly established feature of society that exists in many facets of life already. There are some pubs too that organised ladies only nights in response to date rape needle attacks in pubs becoming an issue of concern during the pandemic. Drink spiking /date rape attacks are another concern that women have to be mindful of every time they go out to the pub.

    There are a number of other women only spaces in various places too, such as women only parks and women only markets.

    With the exception of schools, virtually all other forms of segregation according to gender exist so that women are afforded some level of protection against males who might pose a danger to them.

    To make some additional women only safe zones such as pubs etc is not that much of a stretch beyond.

    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So again I ask, would you be in favour of allowing self identifying transwomen into your women-only pub?



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do people like you treat your brothers/fathers/uncles/nephews/sons with the same contempt that you hold other people's?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    Yes. While still biologically male, even if they did pose a risk, their numbers would be so few as to not be a significant risk to women as a whole. Whats more, LGBTQ community are likely to be more progressive and may be less inclined towards gender based violence.

    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    Stop trying to make this personal. I always feel it is a poor sign of character in a person - when they are losing an argument they try to make it into a personal attack.

    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh......................................hold on a minute!!!!!

    What the hell?

    So it's only straight men you are barring from your pub?

    Somebody needs to do a little bit of research into domestic violence and sexual assaults within the gay community.



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You feel a lot of things which I don't agree with.

    I haven't attacked you. I am asking if you consider your male relatives as potential threats or is it only every other man?



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    To make some additional women only safe zones such as pubs etc is not that much of a stretch beyond

    When you say that women only spaces are reasonable, but complain that men only spaces are sexist, there's a rather strong case for double standards... and the implementation of discriminatory practices.

    Anyway there are a number of women only spaces existing already, that are discriminatory in practice because similar male only spaces were opened up to women in the past. Just because they've been allowed to be created doesn't mean that they're right to be allowed.

    Double standards. Seems like it's the main thrust behind feminism these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    But they are "progressive" enough to get entry, and there's no way any of them at all have a propensity towards violence? And the LGBT community is completely free of domestic abuse too? Maybe they can name the pub "Naivety" (or "Nai-vety" for the hipster crowd).



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You really need to look at violence within the LGBTQ community. You're way off base with your assumptions.

    Although it's interesting that someone's sexuality, would somehow affect their inclination towards violence. Do you have some issues with men who are attracted to women?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭markw7


    Are you aware that of all the relationship types with men and women, the most abusive happens to be women/women? Not men/women or men/men, so are lesbians allowed in your ridiculously exclusionary imaginary pub?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,785 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I think we're over-feeding a troll here ...



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Actually, how is this bar going to identify gay people? Will they ask them on the way in and get them to pinky promise that they are telling the truth? Will they have to look gay? Will you make them kiss a member of the same sex?

    Oh wait, I was told sexuality was on a spectrum so I could be 99.99999999999999999999% hetero and 0.0000000000000000001% homo so I can qualify for your pub.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭john123470


    "so are lesbians allowed in your ridiculously exclusionary imaginary pub? .."

    Absolutely no way !!

    Those Butch lassies with a skinful on board will be more lethal than any hetero man can ever be

    How can you even think to ask such a question !!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭zv2


    CreadanLady: "With the exception of schools, virtually all other forms of segregation according to gender exist so that women are afforded some level of protection against males who might pose a danger to them."

    Segregation in toilets etc. is mainly for privacy and what used to be called 'decency', not because there's a bunch of psychos waiting to jump on people.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,236 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Although sexual assault would absolutely be considered as well if males and females were allowed share toilet facilities....

    D single biggest issue with males and females today? Trying to make them equal......they are not, and never will be.....and this is something to fooking embrace, not change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Gaydar scanners at the door maybe? Will the biological males identifying as women need a license to socialise or are they exempt?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭zv2


    I agree. Somehow 'equal rights' got mixed up with 'equal'. Inequality is to be celebrated.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wonder how that works for bisexual males...? maybe we're only accepted on Tuesdays and Saturdays, being considered the same as straight guys for every other day.

    The mind boggles. Funny though. Kinda.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What happens when there's a rule covering most important aspects of society/culture....? then equal rights is pretty much the same as equality.

    In any case, equal rights seems to be open to interpretation depending on what gender is involved.



  • Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I do not get the obsession with single sex toilets. Do people really believe that if we had unisex toilets men just couldn't control themselves around the sexy ladies having a big poo?



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm sure people wouldn't have a problem if someone opened a bar but all women and gays had to leave when the kids get kicked out at 7pm.

    Hahaha. Ffs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,236 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    It's hardly an obsession to think that toilet facilities should be separate

    You cannot legislate for people. Toileting is a personal and intimate act for many people.

    And it's just not at all like you describe it. It's a risk not worth taking. Guaranteed if we shared toilets there would be sexual assaults. You'd have sexual deviants targeting toilets. Ad having a plentiful supply of targets. That is what sexual predators do. They look for targets: There would be uproar if this was allowed and then happened in any establishment. Litigation to beat the band

    plus our toileting habits are different. Women behave differently in toilet settings: Men just go in and do their business and go. Women in clubs, anyway like to meet, chat, do make up and all that female stuff.....it's no place for men....

    See, embrace our differences. Let men be men and women be women.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭zv2


    Women are hormonally different. I think it is damaging to try to make women the same as men. My niece was told in school that she should be an architect. She wasted a year of her life at that before she found her true vocation. They're trying to get women into stem subjects now to make the 'equal'. A lot of girls are going to waste a lot of time. They should be encouraged to find what suits them best.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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