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Djokovic

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,926 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You clearly do not understand what liberal means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,926 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He lied in his visa application. He's one of the most famous anti-vaxxers in the world.

    You let him in you are telling all anti-vaxxers that it's perfectly fine to lie about things to get your way.

    It was a sensible decision to refuse him entry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,733 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    If I had to guess I think restrictions will be lighter by time french open comes round, but we will see



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,662 ✭✭✭jj880



    This is the problem with how anti-vaxxers present their argument. They want to make up their own rules right now and will say anything to justify their stance instead of lobbying to get the rules changed and waiting like everyone else.

    I still remember the post from a few pages back saying this isnt fair on poor djokovic - society should decend into anarchy and I dont care who's granny dies for it 🤣. Proper loopy stuff.

    Djokovic can afford to take a year out until the rules are relaxed around vaxxines (I think this is how long it will take before he can travel freely to slams un vaxxed without having to lie / cheat his way in).

    He got his punishment and he deserved it. He'll be grand. Time to get over it.



  • Posts: 821 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That wasn't the reason for his deportation so your point is meaningless.



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  • Posts: 821 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It was acknowledged by the Australians that he was not a threat to public health. He reason he was deported, which the immigration minister was provided to give under law, was that he was a threat to public order and might excite anti-vaccine sentiment. His deportation was nothing to do with public health and purely for political reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,963 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    not the only reason, no. It is enough reason on it's own to deport him.



  • Posts: 821 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In that case, can you tell me the exact reasons, which the Australian immigration minister was provided to give under law, for his deportation???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,666 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I think when slideways referred to the 'libs' he meant the Liberal Party of Australia who are in government at the moment.

    Not liberally minded people, who are unlikely to be found in the Australian Liberal Party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,963 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    listen, Novac isn't special. He lied on his visa application. That is sufficient grounds on its own to deport. Take your nose out of his arse for just a second and stop losing your **** about a poxy tennis player.



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  • Posts: 821 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What exactly is he being punished for? Is it because he made a different choice than you about what he decides to do with his own body that requires this punishment?

    Djokovic, entered the country on a legally valid visa which was upheld by a judge. This was also upheld by a judge, are you saying that you have different information to the Australian courts?



  • Posts: 821 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Again, for the purposes of clarity and to avoid spreading any misinformation. Can you confirm the reasons why Djokovic was deported from Australia?



  • Posts: 821 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are people not allowed to be sceptical about vaccines or is it just anyone who makes a different choice than you or has opinions that you don't agree that should be barred from entering certain countries to pursue their livelihood?

    Your comment above confirms the attitude of covid maximalists and vaccine absolutists which is in lock step with the Australian immigration minister, that Djokovic should be punished not because he wasn't vaccinated but because he expressed opinions which they don't agree with and therefore should be punished to assuage your neurosis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,666 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I'll take a stab at that. Because the majority of Autralians didn't want him there and this is an election year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Look up that leaked video of the two newscasters and you will hear the best description of the reason why old Novax was deported.

    He is a lying ar**hole.

    Pure and simple.

    He was caught doing ar**holey stuff like not isolating or even informing people he met he had covid or isolating when awaiting test results.

    Although that last one is open to debate because he gave two versions of when he actually found out he had covid.

    Oh yeah that is the lying part along, with lying on his visa and immigration forms.

    So why should Australia allow in a very high profile lying ar**hole that is just going to act as a lighting rod for other ar**holes who want to trample all over covid regulations that authorities are using to try and contain a very infectious and sometimes very fatal disease?

    Now of course the Minister couldn't just put "He is a lying ar**hole" on the documentation, much as he and most of Australia would like to.

    So suck it up just like he has to.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,076 ✭✭✭Slideways


    As someone already answered for me I’m assuming you have already been educated but in case you missed it, I was referring to the liberal party who are in government at the minute



  • Posts: 821 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So you accept that his deportation had nothing to do with public health or his vaccination status and the reason for cancelling his visa was because some people didn't like who he was as a person? Do you think that is some you should be cheering?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Why the fook should I give a rats ass about a self entitled arrogant very rich sportsperson, especially one that tried to game the system?

    Oh yeah you will trot out some shyte about he was standing for personal freedoms, personal choice, etc.

    Bollox he was standing for his own gain pure and simple.

    If he cared jack shyte about anyone else he would have come out and said something about all the others that are kept in that hotel and for much longer than him.

    If he cared jack shyte about anyone else he wouldn't have met people when he was covid positive.

    Why should we cheer for a guy that tried to twist the rules in his favour, expected preferential treatment and when caught out or questioned could afford to hire expensive legal teams to try overturn immigration rules.

    The Aussies have a term about "the fair go" which basically means we are all equal.

    They stopped thousands of their own citizens from returning to the country of their birth, often for humanitarian reasons.

    But nah old Novax whose contribution to society is being good at hitting a ball around a square deserves to just sail on through and fook the plebs.

    He trampled all over public health guidelines in the past yet you expect the Aussies, the ones with some of the strictest public health guidelines on covid, to just forget that.

    As the song goes "let it go"

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    ABF cocked up the 1st time with the visa, by not allowing him the proper time allowed. They Government couldn't go back down that route, despite

    a) having COVID not being a valid reason,

    b) the exemption was applied for 6 days too late anyway (very conveniently)

    c) He did not disclose travel in the preceding 14 days

    As there were protests outside the AO grounds bt anti-vaxxers, the minister made the decision. It's really not that difficult. The fact that he was digging himself a bigger hole every time he and his family opened their mouths finished it. If you or I stood at immigration with that litany of failures we would have been booted out 1st time. I suppose you would be applauding him if his lawyers got him in, and you on the plane home after losing thousands of dollars in travel and accommodation expenses.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,963 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The judge did not rule on the validity of his visa. the judge only ruled on the process followed by ABF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,143 ✭✭✭sporina


    who's pathetic... ummm... I wonder.. man.. I kinda feel sorry for him.. to be so brainwashed that he would ruin his career like that.. silly man.. big hug glasso - feel sorry for you too



  • Posts: 821 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Despite widespread misconceptions, vaccination is not a requirement to enter Australia. There are exemptions available which Djokovic applied for and which two separate medical boards reviewed and concluded that he was eligible for the exemption under the law despite being unvaccinated. Not only that, a judge ruled in his favour that the border patrol had been unreasonable, un-rational and unfair in the procedures they used to ban him entering the country. His visa was then reinstated and he was then allowed enter the country. Finally, late Friday afternoon the Australian immigration minister decided he was going to invoke his absolute power and nullify his visa and order his deportation. The reason the minister gave, which he was required to provide under the law, was that Djokovic's presence would excite anti-vaccine sentiment. If any of you have information that was not available to the two medical boards and one judge then please let us know. Otherwise you should be concerned with the reasons for his deportation because once a convention like this is broken, what is to stop the Australian minster from banning a singer, performer or any other persons whose opinions were considered dangerous? Once the precedent has been set (as it has with Djokovic) it is no longer valid to argue that you cannot ban someone from entering the country because they hold opinions that you don't agree with because you agreed to it when they did it to someone else.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    It was in writing to Tennis Australia on 29th November and mid December that having covid was not sufficient for an exemption for international travellers. Once the judge heard that he had not been given the promised time on the 1st visa, there was no way that was being re-visited the second time. 3 judges found in the minister's favour the second time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,662 ✭✭✭jj880


    It came to light through social media that his immigration form contained bollox. Australia well within their rights to toss him out.

    No-one is saying Djokovic cant refuse the vaccine. He can refuse whatever he likes but if a country has rules based on that decision then that's tough. He cant lie his way round the place then expect to stay when he's caught out telling porkies.

    This is how it is until countries start accepting clear COVID tests and ignoring recent travel for anti-vaxxers. No amount of the gurning Olympics on here is going to change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,758 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Yes, mistakes were made, communications were poor.

    But in the end Djokovic entered Australia on false pretences, on false information. It matters not a shyte if that false information came from him personally, or from his people.

    It would be the same outcome for you, or I, or I would hope any person of any colour or creed.



  • Posts: 821 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    You want to rely on social media reports if you wish however, two separate medical boards reviewed his application and concluded that he was eligible for the exemption under the law despite being unvaccinated. Not only that, a judge ruled in Djokovic's favour in that the border patrol had been unreasonable, un-rational and unfair in the procedures they used to ban him entering the country.

    You can invoke gurning Olympics all day but the reality is that the real reason people are cheering his deportation is because of his choice he made about his body and his health, and that decision happens to be different with the vast majority of people which they feel he should be punished for.



  • Posts: 821 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The three judges were at pains to state that their hands were tied and there was little they could do due to the absolute power of the minister.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,662 ✭✭✭jj880


    You cant be serious here. So I shouldn't rely on the photos and videos of him in Marbella before he travelled to Australia?

    Its a stitch up I tell you! They cloned Djokovic so they could fake reports of him in Spain! 😂😂



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