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Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Read my post fully. Especially the part you actually highlighted.

    PLEASE!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,077 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Unenforceable really and a waste of Garda resources. At pub closing time every night you would just have thousands of offences by men and women. This aspect should be dealt with through education and peer pressure then to enforce it. Focus on dealing with those who have a proven track record of violence. Unfortunately that will never happen though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭daithi7


    I did unfortunately, do you understand the difference between

    " male behaviour" and

    "the behaviours of (a very small minority of) men".

    Because your post uses the pejorative term and it shouldn't imho.

    This isn't just being pedantic either, it's passed off as fair comment in much mainstream media, and it's far from fair. Sorry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    It does, the man would likely have bottled it and not came over trying to open the car door if it was a man in the car. Unless he judged the man was small or elderly and he was not worried about a more even physical confrontation. Women are easier targets for bullies like this.

    I as a man experience plenty of road rage beeping and gesturing but nobody has ever followed me or tried to confront me face to face.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    I fully reject the blame all men merchants out there but there is a small minority of men that really need to cop themselves on.

    And for those who have valid concerns about the targeting of men and the issues men suffer. It’s not a zero sum game. Those issues should be addressed too.



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  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's the most original slagging I've heard in a while. Implying a guy is a virgin. That's brilliant, I've been on the internet for 20 years and it's the first time I've seen it.

    If you miss that sarcasm I think we can conclude the issue was on your side.

    Anyway, don't worry about me getting shredded, you've enough to be paying attention to when you're out running. https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/115620635/#Comment_115620635



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I think this is a great idea if the evidence confirms complaint... pay... serious jail time...

    However i also think if it turns out the complaint is false it be criminal offence... jail time...

    same rule for all humans... once proven no appeal...



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    My other half used a term I hadn't heard before earlier "grief-standing" and it seems a very apt description of a lot of the behaviour we're seeing on social media around this tragedy. I've seen tweets accusing others of posing for selfies with full lighting setups at the vigils and pretty outlandish claims from people "not being able to sleep for crying" over the case when they had no idea who Aisling Murphy was this time last week.

    It would be easy to term them easily led attention seeking neurotics and lets face it we've always had keeners at funerals, paid and unpaid. We've also always had the emotionally incontinent at funerals too. The ones who cry a river on the day, promise much by way of support and the actual bereaved never hear from them again.

    However IMHO the interwebs and social media has encouraged two forms of gender based utter bollocks. I like to call them BroScience and ChickThink. Both are examples of genders seeing themselves as very different from each other and at the same time not sure where they fit in. An example of BroScience would be a fair bit of someone like Joe Rogan's output, the dodgier end would have been the PUA stuff(which seems to have died off). This grief standing stuff would be pure ChickThink in my opinion. There's a lot of moral panic in both camps, but more in play with ChickThink. The latter also gets a lot more airtime, at least as far as the mainstream, but BroScience makes up for it in spades in arenas like Reddit.

    Another aspect of this case could well be a hangover from the two years of emotionals built up from covid and this was a little like pricking that particular boil in a different direction.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    I'm a saint, and I've parachuted in to help you out. I won't second guess you, or indeed act as if I have knowledge beyond you. I may whip you with my belt, but only in fun and in the spirit of mutual joshing, and only just after I get out of the car. However, you need to lose the weight. In earnest, you need to drop dem pounds. So will you? Or will you remain heavier than you'd like?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    While there may be some male bashing in some of the conversations over the last week, it is still important to recognise women live with a lot more fear than men. Also, anyone over 40 would remember a time when wolfwhistling wasn’t even controversial and griping was a regular occurrence in pubs/nightclubs.

    Things still need to change further, and it doesn’t mean anti male commentary is okay, but we should bear in mind that there are real gender based issues.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭SamStonesArm


    You think men don't get groped by women or shouted at by women is it ?


    Ask any doorman/bouncer who is worse between men and women. Some of the cackling yokes are a hell of a lot worse than men regarding groping and being idiots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Some women live in more fear than some men. A lot of women seem to think men have no fear.

    When you wake up and turn on the news on a Sunday morning who's more likely to have been the victim of a serious assault the previous night? Men



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Women trying to take off mens shirts or pinching their arses is all just a bitta craic for them apparantly!



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is a point I've been thinking about the last few days. Even accepting it all at face value (because to question if feelings are genuine is a hate crime now) it shows a dichotomy and double standard in how people express feelings. For women it seems like it must be public and that's completely fine and no-one can question it. Whereas men tend to keep it a bit lower-key, and maybe deal with it through jokes in private because what else is there to say?

    As an example, my best friend's 2 parents died of cancer within a year of each other, he couldn't get home because of his dad's funeral. My mother was diagnosed with cancer before my aunt and uncle died. We constantly roast each other on the subjects. One time I apologised for going too far and funny enough this evening he apologised. In both cases the response was "You're grand, don't worry about it" followed by another jibe. That's how we in particular deal with ****. Because there's nothing else to say.

    "It's ****."

    "Yeah it's really ****."

    "Yeah properly ****".

    etc. ad nauseum

    That's a boring, unhelpful (to a lot of people) conversation. We (and it's not all men, but it's most of my circle) process **** things by working them into our lexicon and reference pool. They're a part of life once they've happened so that's how we integrate them. I wouldn't repeat some of the **** we've said to each other to anyone because a) We've said some truly horrific **** and b) It's no-one else's business. But if we make a crass joke about something in private then we're part of the problem. One of the only fights I've ever put myself into was on a night out with him when we saw a guy hit a girl, he went to her so I went to the fella. But yeah, we need to step up by eh, not making jokes in private. GTFO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Maybe a safepass card could be compromise?

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But you are defending it, and excusing it, and have been, right throughout this thead.

    You are either not truly understanding how the vast majority of women feel about it, or you do and you're dismissing it - and that's a big part of the problem.

    Attitudes need to change.

    I wouldn't go so far as saying a whistle should be criminalised, but it should become so frowned upon, that it becomes normalised that it just doesn't happen anymore.

    Sadly, I feel men who defend this kind of behaviour are only going to get the message when other men tell them this behaviour is out of order.

    They're obviously not listening to the women who are telling them it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,019 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Nonsense.

    Just because some (males and females) don’t see it as offensive/damaging as others, does not mean they are defending it, no matter how much you try hammer this home.

    Get over yourself here. Lecturing attitude. Folks disagree at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    It comes down to this: if men had it in their power to make the streets safer for themselves and be able to go out without the risk of being beat into a pulp for giving some skanger a 'wrong look', we would have done it centuries ago. Arseholes and psychopaths are here and they aren't going away.



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    Gender based issues... Lol.

    A clear line of distinction between men and women are made when it suits apparently.

    But as was said, women grope and shout abuse with the best of them. One of the reasons a lot of women live in fear is because of scaremongering and evil fuckers using horrific incidents like this one as some sort of proof that is common that men are lying in wait to pounce on women



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nah you're grand cheers.

    Any wonder people have lost faith in religion when modern saints spend their time shitposting and getting banned from online message boards for being racist. Sad.



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  • Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why is it nonsense? Because its a woman saying it?

    You just proved my point. Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭Motivator


    This should be plastered on billboards and buses all around the country. Nail on the head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,019 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    You’re clearly spoiling for some sort of argument, and now actually bringing in your gender here. This is pretty desperate.



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't think it did.

    Are you attributing the fact that someone completely disagrees with you as some sort of sexism?

    That's a really poor technique.

    "Oh you think everything women say is nonsense?"

    Nope.

    Just what you said.



  • Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You made it clear on thread you were a man, but I'm not allowed to mention that I'm a woman?

    Not spoiling for a row at all, though you clearly are.

    You're really doing all the work for me. Carry on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,019 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    What?

    who said anyone couldn’t mention what gender/sex they were?

    you were called out on bringing gender into a discussion, by implying that my disagreeing with you was because I am male and you, female. Called out that this is desperate, and poor form, and yet here you are still pushing this…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    Well, this took a most unexpected turn.



  • Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you say so.

    I'm not going to waste time trying to argue with you, when you are not open to listening to any point of view other then your own.

    Unfortunately, there will always be some lost causes.



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Someone disagreeing with you isn't the same as someone not listening.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,967 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Yes people step in, but the store is full of people who don't. In reality very few will get involved, and that's sad.



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