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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭redlad12


    Yeah they've messed it up and so have the Australian authorities! I probably actually would prefer him to play at this stage but certainly won't be up for him haha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    thanks so much, such a worry a vibrant elder woman floored. Your comment is the kindest one on this thread thanks again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,755 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Ah of course the Australian authorities have been absolutely brutal as well.

    My gut says he will probably play. If they try to turf him out he will challenge it and it will likely be drawn out til after the AO is over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    It's very obviously a lie so don't worry about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,755 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Really sorry to hear this I hope she makes a full recovery over time. It must be incredibly tough.


    I find it really hard to believe you do not know people who have tested positive for covid, I know loads unfortunately. I suppose a lot of people don't exactly broadcast it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭BlackEdelweiss




  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't think you understand what the words "intellectually dishonest" even mean.



  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You're 100% correct. They are the wrong reasons to get vaccinated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    There you go again making out that people who choose not to receive a vaccine are somehow selfish and are detrimental to the "common good". You just can't help yourself. It's like your mind is stuck in a loop and you can't turn it off. "You're taking up a hospital bed. You're taking up a hospital bed".

    You then mention people not observing the speed limit. If they crash, should they be denied a hospital bed? What about smokers, drinkers, obese people, drug users, people who engage in activities where there is a heightened possibility of injury such as sports, mountain climbing, windsurfing? Are you going to guilt-trip them if they wind up in the ER and take a precious hospital bed?

    Some people like to think that they are enlightened when in reality they haven't evolved much beyond the baboon. They think that unvaccinated people ought to be punished for their decision. They say this with a straight face. It's medieval thinking.



  • Posts: 19,205 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd be pro-vaccine but also take a "real-world" public utility view on this

    At the moment vaccines are vital for older and at-risk people in terms of preventing severe illness.

    But with currently available vaccines and Omicron, it's obvious with the huge number of cases across highly vaccinated and boosted populations that there very much negligible public utility in terms of current vaccines and spread

    Maybe new vaccines will be coming out that will stop spread and then public utility on spread would be restored.

    But they are not available now.

    So I actually don't have a big issue with non at-risk people being unvaccinated right now - they are not harming society.

    they are not spreading in any discernible way more than vaccinated.

    they are not denying the rest of us public utility on spread or burdening the health system (very very unlikely to get badly ill, especially with Omicron being proven milder also)

    Even if you're one side or the other, the real-world situation out there should be taken into consideration!

    (Personally I would still be vaccinated due to the risk-reduction on long covid)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,806 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I posted that I don't believe anyone should be forced to get the vaccine. For the same reason, you can't force someone to give blood, even if it costs someone else their life.

    I'm totally with you on the beds, there needs to be more, but until that utopian ideal is realised medical staff are getting pissed off with unvaccinated people filling up beds. Empathy fatigue is also an issue.

    The vaccinated person enjoying a pint isn't costing someone their bodily autonomy. They were free not to get a vaccine, but there are consequences to our choices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,806 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Maybe people keep saying they're selfish because they're selfish. People who crash because of their own dangerous driving still get to go to the hospital, just like all the unvaccinated Covid patients, but they can still be called out for being selfish and stupid.

    The real medieval thinking here is the anti-vax lunacy where people think they know better than modern medicine and turn to bullshit treatments with no scientific basis when they do end up infected. The newest "cure" is drinking your own piss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,983 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I'm an Australian and I'd throw him in the sea and make him swim out past the 12 mile limit, preferably through shark infested waters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,983 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The biggest faker here is you. You adore Jokovic and seem seriously and blindly partisasn. Trying to make ou that one player is unimportant because of her ranking while wanting your boy to get his way, no matter what he's done, because he's number one, says it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 DublinWexican


    Completely agree. Thought I'd hate to think that the sharks could get COVID from him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    To quote a well known Doctor who has been vocal about this whole thing


    " this is the first time where a vaccine hasn't delivered but those who haven't taken it are being blamed "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    You only had to steal a loaf of bread to get into Australia years ago, funny how times have changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,668 ✭✭✭jj880


    If he stays he'll probably win the Australian Open and break the record for most grand slams. A fantastic achievement and argueably makes him the best mens player ever.

    But you just know he'll be Novax Djokovic from now on. Its a shame really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,755 ✭✭✭✭gmisk




  • Posts: 19,205 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How can you prove if you're Australian or not?

    I will grant you that you seem boorish and uncouth and I might be inclined to believe you on that basis.

    I see the Sydney Morning Herald are conducting a poll (article and poll in link) and 58% say that he should be allowed play

    Many of the comments under the article also seem to indicate that more copped-on Australians seem to have realised that this a cock-up of the politician's making and what is really going on

    Who the fook is Jokovic?

    I'm supporting Djokovic in this mess because he merely applied to and followed a government and tennis-Australia process like 25 others did and wouldn't have gone near Australia otherwise. Having him go all the way out to Australia and then flip-flopping and deciding to try to fook him over at 4am in the morning at passport control was a pathetic move that has backfired spectacularly.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Requiring a vaccine for someone who already had covid twice and wasn't sick either time he had it is just insane.

    I think Australians want to vindicate their own passivity in face of outrageous government overreach by seeing a rich, famous tennis player punished.

    Why are they even holding a tennis tournament if they're in some kind of siege emergency?

    If I was holding a tennis tournament I would arrange to deliberately make it easy for recognised seeded players to enter. Yes, I wouldn't pretend they were joe soaps and try to hold them to joe soap standards and let them be barred from the country on some technicality.

    'Well if joe soap can't get in, why should the title holder of the Australian Open be allowed into Australia for the Australian Open ho ho ho'

    But then I wouldn't be stopping joe soaps from seeing their parents either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,658 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Can you imagine the tears if he gets to play and wins

    The aussies will have a meltdown!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,940 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Australians want him treated the very same way many of them were treated on returning to their own country.

    They don't want to see him treated like he's above them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    What makes you think "doctors" are some kind of single entity of unanimous thinkers? We've already established that vaccines have poor efficacy after 6 or so months and also don't prevent transmission. Why does valid scepticism about this make you think that someone is against all vaccines and against a doctors opinion?

    Not sure why I even bother engaging. You've started off with a simplistic, high-horse argument, and will undoubtedly not escalate to anything beyond this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I think some Aussie tennis fans will have forgiven him by then, if he can show that much heart in front of a Melbourne crowd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭eddie73


    The Aussie politicians won't b pleased but there wouldn't be a social meltdown



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  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Djokovic is a looper. You only have to look at some of the other crap he comes out with to know that he's definitely 'out there' when it comes to certain stuff that shouldn't really be up for debate (the bread under the armpit thing is frighteningly absurd). But that's no skin off anybody's nose, really.

    They've had one of the harshest lockdowns in the world over there, they kept getting pushed back further over a couple of cases here and there.....literally. I think they had more cases in the first week of 2022 than they'd had in all of 2020 combined. And much like here, there's loads who were unhappy about that and loads who just got on with it. So public sentiment was pretty much divided.

    Then Novax comes along and makes a mockery of the whole thing by claiming this and that and pulling dubious test results out of his arse at the last minute. The whole thing stinks, and waiting for an interview after he has successfully managed to circumvent the rules is meaningless. And that IS skin off some peoples' nose. In fact, it's borderline insulting. People had to go for months without getting a coffee or a drink in public, then this guy comes along and says "Oh, I'm exempt......sure I tested positive at some stage........what?...I have to isolate for ten days after a positive test?......well luckily mine expires just in time to play in the tournament....lucky me, I guess".

    If I was an Aussie, I'd be fuming. And most of them are.

    I still have no idea what was said to allow him to stay because on everything that's been presented so so far to the public, he shouldn't be. Even the stuff with his family is all besides the point. All the talk of how great he is and how he's gonna beat Federer etc is just noise. All it boils down to is:

    Was he exempt, yes or no?

    Did he test positive? Yes or no, if yes, then when?

    Why wasn't this positive test used instead of the exemption in the first place?

    Was he off showing a blatant disregard for public safety by having a meet & greet with a load of teenagers while positive/potentially positive?

    If he can't satisfy those questions, then bump him onto the next flight home. If he can, then let him play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,983 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Why should I need to prove I'm Australian?

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    Whoops, spelling error. How many lashes would you suggest? I don't believe the rest of that guff any more than you believe I'm an Australian.



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  • Posts: 19,205 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He had an exemption granted to him by the Victorian State Government and Tennis Australia

    Djokovic or the others granted the exemptions on this process wouldn't have gone near Australia otherwise

    The Border Force let other people on it with the same reason in already.

    The PM Morrison explicitly voice public opinion last Tuesday supporting the process to "come" to and "enter" Australia

    When asked about the controversial call, Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison said: "Well, that is a matter for the Victorian government.


    "They have provided him with an exemption to come to Australia, and so we then act in accordance with that decision."

    ScoMo was then pressed on whether he thought it was the right decision to make given Australia's current climate.

    "Well, that's how it works," Morrison said.


    "States provide exemptions for people to enter on those basis, and that's been happening for the last two years. So there's no change to that arrangement.


    "The Victorian government made their decision on that. And so I'd have to refer to the Victoria Government about their reasons for doing so."

    But they Djokovic tweeted and a reaction kicked off and the politician's worried about the optics and the decision was made to target Djokovic at the airport

    If you think that the tide isn't turning for many Australians in terms of their view and that they are all intent on projecting their ire at past governmental pandemic policy decisions onto Djokovic (who had nothing to do with that) you're not correct - read the informed comments underneath this article from today - genuine Australians who by now know the score

    I still think that it's very much in the balance and that probably the politicians will go for "the ministerial discretion" option and boot him home but that will not work out too well either I think and will only by taken on the basis of "not looking like we backed down"

    Djokovic's movements in Serbia will be addressed by him but what he did in Serbia a few weeks ago is not directly relevant to the process here, except in the heads of some.

    He has the positive test and again, that hasn't proven to be fake except in the minds of wishful conspiracy thinkers.




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