Mandatory vaccination in Ireland

If obesity was contagious and severe effects of obesity that require hospitalisation removed with a free safe medicine, then yes, you could argue that they should have to pay for any treatment they get.

In Ireland though we don't and won't. Singapore does charge unvaccinated patients, where on the totalitarian spectrum do they sit?

I had people giving out to me a few months ago when I noted that NPHET were discussing masks for children and was told it was just a discussion for show but would never come to pass and the headlines about it were 'clickbait'. Then later it did come to pass.

If something is on the table, its on the table. Its specifically been ruled in as a possibility therefore it could happen.

And yes am interested in my fundamental human rights. Why would covid justify dissolving all our rights?

The bar I would set is if a single condition accounts for the majority of ICU occupancy and as a result is squeezing out everyone else who needs treatment. Otherwise you are into the argument for an insurance-based health system, which in itself has merits but is getting a bit off-topic.

I've lost track of how much dereliction of duty the government has done across the board and I certainly wonder what their real purpose is. The only solution I see if for people to bypass government and get hold of peer-reviewed literature themselves, but most have neither the background nor patience to do that.

I know obesity isn't contagious in the traditional sense, but you only need to look at countries like the US, and even here, vs places like Japan to see how obesity can be mentally normalised (the whole be confident in your own body, "curvy" is sexy etc) or things like food portion sizes. It might not be physically contagious but it definitely is at a psychological level imo.

The thing is, there is not one solitary good reason to not get the vaccine. Every single reason given is pure ignorance. It's free, mild short term side effects and is now the most studied, understood, and tested vaccine of all time.

Anyone not vaccinated now will refuse to the bitter end.

Mandating it would more likely to target those who have not gone for a booster.

An "encouragement" as some might like to describe it.

What does obesity being contagious have anything to do with it? They're taking up resources due to a selfish personal choice. What's your logic here?

As for Singapore, look up what they do to you if you're caught with drugs and then you'll have your answer.

Because there's extra protocols needed in hospital for contagious patients which severely limits capacity (on top of that obesity can't be almost completely avoided by a safe effective treatment..).

Why can't you give a straight answer on Singapore? Is every country with harsh penalties on drugs a totalitarian regime now?

I'm honestly surprised it wasn't discussed and dismissed prior to the vaccine rollout, unless it was discussed "off-minutes" (remembering that the story came from a FOI request for the minutes of a meeting).

Lol you're some man for twisting peoples posts. I didnt say longest time studied vaccine, i said it is the most studied. Do you know the difference?

You can't solve obesity over the course of 3 weeks with 2 jabs, so there's not really a comparison there, you also have to maintain contagion protocols for COVID patients meaning they take up more resources, that's not the case with obese patients (or smokers or the elderly), there is a big difference in treating contagious diseases vs. treating everyday health issues.

You've put the United States, South Korea and India into your definition of totalitarian.