Djokovic

growleaves · 09-01-2022 01:29PM

Post-viral syndrome is a real thing, and I know people who had it after bouts of influenza and glandular fever. It's also a complication with MRSA, scarlet fever and other viruses.

I don't know anyone with long covid (yet) but I know several people who have recovered from covid, young and old.

I only felt fully recovered from a covid infection yesterday morning after 12 days of a cough/cold with tiredness.

I don't believe that one third of one third of covid sufferers have post viral syndrome ('long covid') and with everyone in the country now getting covid (30-50k infections a day) does that mean that soon 100s of thousands of Irish people will have fatigue? These phony statistics are pulled out of a hat imo.

jolivmmx · 09-01-2022 01:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443414#Comment_118443414

Because belief of somebody on Boards is much more credible than a carefully conducted cross-sectional study conducted by a well-experienced group of researchers and scrutinised by expert reviewers in the second top medical journal in the whole world. 😂😂😂 (I nearly want to thank your post for the good laugh it gave me)

Thanks for the laugh. If you want, there are multiple studies that replicate the same findings. The prevalence is between 10-40%, depending on the study. High enough figures to make me damn glad of my booster!!!!

09-01-2022 01:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443414#Comment_118443414

what credible person is saying one third nowadays?

actual impactful long covid is proably more like 3% to 5% of people.

there are several issues around the definition of long covid and surveys.

there is a difference between not 100% and being fatigued all the time.

but 3% is a still a much much higher probability than a myocardic reaction from a vaccine. (most of which are temporary and mild)

reducing the odds of ending up with a chronic fatigue condition is pretty important in my book (especially if you've seen what it can do).

it's a post-viral immune response disorder - even people who got zero symptoms can develop it

but the vaccines reduce your odds of developing long covid (at least by 1/2 according to data)

but the societal burden of Djokovic is nothing really - Omicron doesn't give a sh1t about vaccines in terms of spread and he's not an icu risk.

he's not impacting public health on his choice.

if he wants to take the risk there himself I don't see a huge deal with it now with Omicron.

he's also does not publicise his stance on vaccines since the vaccines came out. in fact quite the opposite as he has actively avoided doing that.

people pointing to things that he said in 2020 are being disingenuous.

there is plenty of fake moralising going on in this thread.

jolivmmx · 09-01-2022 01:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443450#Comment_118443450

Here. The BMJ is the second top medical journal in the world. Find enclosed the link:

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1626

In science, when you mention a range of prevalences, like you did, you must cite your sources, otherwise, for all I know, you are plucking the figures from some lad who lives in his mother’s basement YouTube channel. It is important to know the source, so the design/conduct/analysis of the original study can be scrutinised

jolivmmx · 09-01-2022 01:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443467#Comment_118443467

And here is the study published in the top medical journal in the world. It is an international study.

It will show you how real and awful long Covid can be:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00299-6/fulltext

growleaves · 09-01-2022 01:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443450#Comment_118443450

It's in fact one third of one third, according to another poster. That still seems too high.

I had long-term fatigue from a bacterial infection a few years ago which thankfully eventually went away.

To give you an idea of how tired I was, I couldn't read words on a page without falling asleep and that went on for months.

I agree with your overall point, but the evidence is still building of heart conditions post-vaccine.

Imo there's enough ambiguity that people should be able to choose, knowing the risks, without demonisation/exclusion.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34849657/

09-01-2022 01:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443467#Comment_118443467

there are several issues around the definition of long covid and surveys.

there is a difference between "not 100%" and being fatigued all the time.

I prefer to talk about the real cases.

even if it's only 3% that's a lot of people

jolivmmx · 09-01-2022 01:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443484#Comment_118443484

no. 1/3 of people have who had C19 infection have symptoms beyond 12 weeks. If you look at this 1/3 of people with persistent Covid symptoms, 1/3 of those people feel that those symptoms have a significant impact on their day-to-day life

jolivmmx · 09-01-2022 01:54PM

I think that the thing about the anti-vaxxers is that they will focus on extremely rare risks (ironically, your risk of which is higher if you actually get Covid). They never tell you about long Covid (which is bloody scary and common). They don’t tell you about the risks of Covid to you and your baby in pregnancy. They wilfully mislead people and ruin lives. There are a small bit significant proportion of people to this day who cannot work because of long Covid. What do we say to them?

Vaccines save lives. Vaccines make lives better. That is the bottom line

09-01-2022 01:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443484#Comment_118443484

yes as I said there are several issues around the definition of long covid and surveys.

e.gl there is a difference between "not 100%" and being fatigued all the time.

there are a lot of subjectivity problems around this.

it's really bad for the people who have a bad case but it's also quite difficult to accurately measure this currently.

one only has to look at the issues that real sufferers of post-viral syndrome had to deal with over the last 20 years to appreciate this.

but some people just post links as the absolute last word on things with little overall context or critical thinking applied.

jolivmmx · 09-01-2022 02:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443450#Comment_118443450

While, the definition may not be exact, what we do know is that 1/3 reported symptoms beyond 12 weeks and 1/3 of those said that they experienced a significant impact on their day-to-day life. Sure, significant impact on day-to-day life means different things to different people. But in order to state that something is seriously impacting your daily life, it is not just going to be a case of dozing off in front of the telly at night…

hbhook · 09-01-2022 02:15PM

All I know for sure is that Djokovic is not only C-19 vaccine hestitant. He's an anti-vaccine moron. This, despite being surrounded by and using some the worlds top sports scientists. The part I don't know for sure is his exemption but I suppose if he applied fairly then he has to play.

jj880 · 09-01-2022 05:06PM

09-01-2022 05:15PM

Novaques Chocoviche already beat that guy to it

https://imgur.com/cfTXbRl

09-01-2022 05:39PM

He's a real piece of work alright

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIt1AfZaJHA

Mad_maxx · 10-01-2022 12:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118442132#Comment_118442132

Children aren't at risk from COVID-19

Mad_maxx · 10-01-2022 12:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443342#Comment_118443342

Long covid is as yet an unproven theory

10-01-2022 12:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118446969#Comment_118446969

I'll have to disagree with you there

someone that I know very well contracted mild covid in April 2020 and has been suffering from chronic fatigue and other nasty symptoms from about a month after that and their quality of life is completely altered as a result

They have several over-active auto-immune markers showing up in blood tests which indicates the post-viral syndrome

It's an auto-immune disorder in the case of most people affected

Novel (new to humans) viruses are known to cause this

if you're interested in being a little more informed, this article is not bad

just click "continue reading this article"

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/04/29/researchers-are-closing-in-on-long-covid

Mad_maxx · 10-01-2022 12:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118446988#Comment_118446988

I've had fatigue for several years, had blood tests taken, nothing showed up ,fatigue is relatively common, it's being conveniently attributed to COVID-19 all of a sudden

10-01-2022 12:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118446993#Comment_118446993

you could consider the possibility that there are different causes of fatigue and different levels of it

otherwise seems like I'm just wasting my time providing that link then

take care

sligeach · 10-01-2022 07:47AM

Djokovic wins case in triumphant hearing

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-australia-59909477

Wouldn't be surprised if the Australian government may still try to pull another dirty trick or appeal. This has been an embarrassment from the start for them, they might dig in even further.

Novak Djokovic: Judge orders immediate release of tennis star

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-59932430

I'm glad Djokovic has won his appeal.

lawred2 · 10-01-2022 08:26AM

Good to see grandstanding politicians shown up..

orecir · 10-01-2022 08:39AM

A very embaressing episode for the Australian government.They completely set the man up to embaress him and his views on vaccines and its backfired spectacularly.

Hopefully he wins the tournament now and further embaresses the Aussie nation and government.

Before anyone has a go at me I am pro vaccine.

10-01-2022 08:39AM

Looks like they are still going to try deport him. Surely, in the history of tennis, no man will be as reviled as Djokovic in the upcoming oz open.

Openly hugging children whilst having an active covid infection. Seems like scumbag behaviour of the highest order or he faked his covid diagnosis.

Fandymo · 10-01-2022 08:47AM

Excellent news for Novak. Hope he goes on to win the tournament. One in the eye for the fascist Aussie government. Bit of a sickener for the zealots in here too. B,b,b,but he lied.

Jizique · 10-01-2022 08:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447446#Comment_118447446

Embarrassing indeed, but I feel really uncomfortable sitting in the same corner as Nigel Farage and Sammy Wilson

10-01-2022 08:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447463#Comment_118447463

Well he confirmed himself he tested positive on 16th December. He still went to an event on 17th December where he was hugging children. This to me is scumbag behaviour. Presumably, this will be investigated fully.

thefallingman · 10-01-2022 08:51AM

common sense has prevailed, I wonder if Novak can sue for false imprisonment, I hope he wins now for mother Serbia.

Fandymo · 10-01-2022 08:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447470#Comment_118447470

Cry me a river buddy.

sligeach · 10-01-2022 09:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447447#Comment_118447447

Wrong. As I previously explained, he had a PCR test on the 16th December, he wouldn't have gotten the results for at least a day, maybe a few days. The photos of him were on the 17th with the kids. He didn't know then that he had Covid. He's had Covid twice now and there's not a bother on him.

I'm not vaccinated either and I'm fine as well. I take all the usual precautions and don't endanger anyone. I'm not anti-vax at all, those who are vulnerable should take it. Or those who want it can take it, that's their choice. But I don't believe everyone needs it or should take it. And it shouldn't be forced on people or blackmailed into doing so, nor should people be punished for not taking it.

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Novaques Chocoviche already beat that guy to it

Djokovic wins case in triumphant hearing