Anyone know what is his medical exception?
All I know for sure is that Djokovic is not only C-19 vaccine hestitant. He's an anti-vaccine moron. This, despite being surrounded by and using some the worlds top sports scientists. The part I don't know for sure is his exemption but I suppose if he applied fairly then he has to play.
While, the definition may not be exact, what we do know is that 1/3 reported symptoms beyond 12 weeks and 1/3 of those said that they experienced a significant impact on their day-to-day life. Sure, significant impact on day-to-day life means different things to different people. But in order to state that something is seriously impacting your daily life, it is not just going to be a case of dozing off in front of the telly at night…
yes as I said there are several issues around the definition of long covid and surveys.
e.gl there is a difference between "not 100%" and being fatigued all the time.
there are a lot of subjectivity problems around this.
it's really bad for the people who have a bad case but it's also quite difficult to accurately measure this currently.
one only has to look at the issues that real sufferers of post-viral syndrome had to deal with over the last 20 years to appreciate this.
but some people just post links as the absolute last word on things with little overall context or critical thinking applied.
I think that the thing about the anti-vaxxers is that they will focus on extremely rare risks (ironically, your risk of which is higher if you actually get Covid). They never tell you about long Covid (which is bloody scary and common). They don’t tell you about the risks of Covid to you and your baby in pregnancy. They wilfully mislead people and ruin lives. There are a small bit significant proportion of people to this day who cannot work because of long Covid. What do we say to them?
Vaccines save lives. Vaccines make lives better. That is the bottom line
no. 1/3 of people have who had C19 infection have symptoms beyond 12 weeks. If you look at this 1/3 of people with persistent Covid symptoms, 1/3 of those people feel that those symptoms have a significant impact on their day-to-day life
there are several issues around the definition of long covid and surveys.
there is a difference between "not 100%" and being fatigued all the time.
I prefer to talk about the real cases.
even if it's only 3% that's a lot of people
It's in fact one third of one third, according to another poster. That still seems too high.
I had long-term fatigue from a bacterial infection a few years ago which thankfully eventually went away.
To give you an idea of how tired I was, I couldn't read words on a page without falling asleep and that went on for months.
I agree with your overall point, but the evidence is still building of heart conditions post-vaccine.
Imo there's enough ambiguity that people should be able to choose, knowing the risks, without demonisation/exclusion.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34849657/
And here is the study published in the top medical journal in the world. It is an international study.
It will show you how real and awful long Covid can be:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00299-6/fulltext
Here. The BMJ is the second top medical journal in the world. Find enclosed the link:
In science, when you mention a range of prevalences, like you did, you must cite your sources, otherwise, for all I know, you are plucking the figures from some lad who lives in his mother’s basement YouTube channel. It is important to know the source, so the design/conduct/analysis of the original study can be scrutinised
what credible person is saying one third nowadays?
actual impactful long covid is proably more like 3% to 5% of people.
there is a difference between not 100% and being fatigued all the time.
but 3% is a still a much much higher probability than a myocardic reaction from a vaccine. (most of which are temporary and mild)
reducing the odds of ending up with a chronic fatigue condition is pretty important in my book (especially if you've seen what it can do).
it's a post-viral immune response disorder - even people who got zero symptoms can develop it
but the vaccines reduce your odds of developing long covid (at least by 1/2 according to data)
but the societal burden of Djokovic is nothing really - Omicron doesn't give a sh1t about vaccines in terms of spread and he's not an icu risk.
he's not impacting public health on his choice.
if he wants to take the risk there himself I don't see a huge deal with it now with Omicron.
he's also does not publicise his stance on vaccines since the vaccines came out. in fact quite the opposite as he has actively avoided doing that.
people pointing to things that he said in 2020 are being disingenuous.
there is plenty of fake moralising going on in this thread.
Because belief of somebody on Boards is much more credible than a carefully conducted cross-sectional study conducted by a well-experienced group of researchers and scrutinised by expert reviewers in the second top medical journal in the whole world. 😂😂😂 (I nearly want to thank your post for the good laugh it gave me)
Thanks for the laugh. If you want, there are multiple studies that replicate the same findings. The prevalence is between 10-40%, depending on the study. High enough figures to make me damn glad of my booster!!!!
Post-viral syndrome is a real thing, and I know people who had it after bouts of influenza and glandular fever. It's also a complication with MRSA, scarlet fever and other viruses.
I don't know anyone with long covid (yet) but I know several people who have recovered from covid, young and old.
I only felt fully recovered from a covid infection yesterday morning after 12 days of a cough/cold with tiredness.
I don't believe that one third of one third of covid sufferers have post viral syndrome ('long covid') and with everyone in the country now getting covid (30-50k infections a day) does that mean that soon 100s of thousands of Irish people will have fatigue? These phony statistics are pulled out of a hat imo.
The thing that scares me most about Covid is the memory problems and brain fog. This can ruin people’s ability to go about their daily lives
i really feel for the poor people with long Covid!!!
There was a survey (LongCovidSOS), that found that the vaccine helped to reduce the long Covid in some patients afflicted with it. Furthermore, there was a study in the Lancet I. September which showed that even if you get breakthrough C19 with the vaccine, you are 50% less likely to go on to develop long Covid.
I got the vaccine. I have no side effects. I am delighted that I have it!!!
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/novak-djokovic-not-told-so-called-medical-exemption-would-be-accepted-government-court-documents-claim-12512329
So, Djokovic applied for the exemption on the basis that he had C19. The Aussies said that he has a positive PCR result which was published on the 16/12. Now, there are photos of him mingling without a mask or social distancing with kids and other people on the 17/12. People want answers
1/3 who had Covid 19 infection had 1 symptom of Covid more than 12 weeks. 1/5 had 3 or more symptoms of Covid more than 12 weeks later.
of those people who had symptoms at 12 weeks, 1/3 of those people reported that it had a significant impact on their daily life.
long Covid is terrible!!! And it is a common risk of C19 infection
Have you heard of "long covid" or are you one of those "long covid is a myth" and/or "long covid doesn't affect" fit people (both of which is not true)
the vaccine reduces your chance of getting long covid (this is proven)
do you not know anyone with long covid?
your odds of getting long Covid are much higher than a potential mild case of myocarditis.
I know someone under 40 who got a "mild" covid case and has been suffering from chronic fatigue for over a year now - fit regular-gym-going male with good bmi, no underlying illness.
can't do any sport at all now - in fact that's the least of his worries.
Lots of animosity in the media for Djokovic on the assumption that he was breaking the rules. In fact, he applied for, and was granted, a visa and an exemption by the Australian authorities. They changed their minds when he arrived because there was a popular backlash. This mess is on the Aussie authorities, though it’s hard to say who is most to blame - the tournament organisers, the State authorities or the Feds.
Djokovic did an Insta about his trip which provoked a backlash but he wasn’t out to promote anti-vaxxers. I notice a Czech woman player is in the same position but gets no criticism.
Actually, if you read the text, they still state that your (male <40) risk of myocarditis is higher with an acute infection. And on top of that, C19 can cause absent smell, long Covid, strokes, clots in general. Overall, the benefit of the vaccine is FAR FAR greater.
Do you drink? If you do drink, this is considered a Co-morbidity. Smoker- comorbidity. 1/4 of Irish people are harmful drinkers- this is a big comorbidity. 1/3 of Irish people are obese- this is a big comorbidity. Take the old puff of an inhaler- this is a big comorbidity. Take tablets for any health issue- this is a comorbidity. Don’t believe me, Google the ASA classification and check it out. And then find me an Irish person that is healthy. People think that they are healthy. But a lot of reason would be deemed as having a comorbidity and don’t even realise it. It is a classic bias
Me cherry picking? That's pretty comical. You have selected the conclusion which refers to the population at large while ignoring the table showing the increased risk of myocarditis in young men under 40.
Yes, some people my age have died of Covid. Every single one of them has had severe underlying medical conditions. I know people love breaking things down simply by age as if that is some unifying metric. Only 30% of people my age in this country are normal weight, 24% are obese and 42% are overweight. Just because I'm in the same age bracket as someone doesn't mean I have anything in common with them in terms of health or fitness. I've more in common with a healthy 20 year old than an obese 35 year old and my risk profile is nothing like the obese person's.
I kind of guessed it would be some random YouTube doctor. I am sorry I just dont respect that guys opinion. His graphs are suitably blurry. You are cherry picking figures as is that Dr Prasad. The conclusion above...from that study you left out...what a shock
That doc has said crazy things in the past. Maybe bare that in mind.
"In October 2021, Prasad prompted social media controversy when he published a blog post comparing the U.S. COVID-19 pandemic response to the beginnings of Hitler's Third Reich."
You also heard wrong...Moderna is 100 percent not the only booster on offer. I got Pfizer and most people I know got it as well.
The microbiologists have a way of looking at the PCR and telling if it is a previous infection or current infection
https://www.hse.ie/eng/about/personalpq/pq/2020-pq-responses/september-2020/pq-26644-20-peadar-toibin.pdf
Where the hell re you getting that 1/1000 stat? Even the UK government Covid website says the official estimate is somewhere between 0.84 and 4.3%.
Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/falsepositivityrateofthecovid19pcrtest
A published study last year in the NCBI journal found that up to 22% of PCR tests were false positives although there are serious caveats to this study as they admit themselves. False positives are particularly likely in people who have previously been infected with covid. False negatives are also a major issue.
Did you read the conclusion of your own study 😂 Obviously not. Cherry picking key parts of the text! I have enclosed the conclusion just in case.
I know at least a half-dozen people with long-Covid, who have not been able to work because of the effects of their illness. They cannot walk more than a meter or two. Yes, they are young. And yes, they were healthy. Try run a marathon when you cannot walk a few steps.
There is not some global cover up. People your age have died (look up the HSPCC data) from Covid. We have a pandemic. The vaccine is the best thing we have to combat this virus.
the people dismissing it as a cold have obviously never lost somebody to Covid.
Your data is out of date....are you still trying to claim vaccines May prevent infection like the early studies were showing? Why do people insist on using out of date data just to support their own agenda? I suggest you look t the data from the latest study on this published in Nature journal.
If you are male and under 40 then the risk is significantly higher for myocarditis from the vaccine (Moderna in particular) than it is from Covid and the risk goes up for every booster you get. According to that study the risk of myocarditis for men aged 16-40 is over 100/100,000 cases aka 1 in a 1000. And that is probably far higher again for under 25s. And that is just what's being reported by doctors.
I just think it's mad the way people like you won't actually read any of the details about how the trials were carried out. Unblinding participants in a supposedly double blind study, ignoring and misreporting severe adverse side effects in 1 of only 1152 children in the trial. Google Maddie De Garay and her mothers testimony about her immediate reaction to the vaccine and how it was reported as an upset stomach when she now has a feeding tube and uses a wheelchair. And if you think she and her mum are anti vaxxers then why would they have signed up to take part in one of the initial trials for a vaccine?
There is a well known cycling athlete who has had to give up his sport and has documented his after effects on his Instagram channel. Another vaccine early adopter as he wasn't an at risk patient and his doctors tried to tell him he was having a psychotic episode when he came forward with his problems. He was eventually diagnosed with myocarditis and pericarditis but it took multiple hospital visits before they would acknowledge that it was even remotely related to the vaccine.....despite his symptoms, which were almost identical to Maddie De Garays, occurring almost immediately after the 2nd dose. Both pfizer. Some people just do not want to hear of any cases of the vaccine being dangerous or having side effects. The vitriol he has faced since he came out about it is shocking. He went off social media a few months ago as he was having a breakdown from the vaccine fascists claiming he was a liar. The poor guy genuinely looked and sounded suicidal when he clearly didn't have an agenda. Even after his side effects he wasn't anti vax, he just wanted people to be aware the vaccine is not risk free. His career as a professional athlete now appears to be over.
I'm a relatively high level amateur athlete under the age of 40. I think I'd have to have been dense to expose myself to a vaccine which we can clearly see has more side effects than was initially claimed. As far as I've heard Moderna is all that's being offered as a booster so why would I want a vaccine than has a 1 in 1000 chance of giving me myocarditis amongst a whole host of other possible side effects. I've managed to not contract symptomatic covid in 2 years of a pandemic or more likely I've had it and not displayed symptoms. Not everyone is as unhealthy and careless about their health as the average boards scribe.
I think the Australian government have shot themselves in the foot by this unsuccessful delay application.
They know they are going to fail and are getting desperate. It shows that their actions are not about rule following but intimidation of people with different beliefs.
So does that you mean you don’t have his number?
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