Solicitor asked to remove underwear....

06-07-2021 2:41pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lol.

Men eh? The worst.

Considering most male posters here don't seem to know the first thing about searching women, I'm lost as to how they can possibly say that what happened to this woman was right.

06-07-2021 2:47pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Considering most male posters here don't seem to know the first thing about searching women, I'm lost as to how they can possibly say that what happened to this woman was right.

Surely they shouldn't be searched differently than a man? So if I know how to search a man then I know how to search a woman.

06-07-2021 2:48pm

MeepMeep2021 wrote: »

Still not sure why the other solicitor got through with less difficulty (if that bit is true) though. Seems very odd.

Theres more than just these 2 going in and out of the prison. Its not like one man and one woman deals with all the prisoners.

Capt'n Midnight · 06-07-2021 3:01pm

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

There's been Solicitors found smuggling stuff in to their clients in prisons, so it's not like she should get some special treatment.

Don't you mean ex-solicitors ?

Because I can't see how they could ever be trusted to behave honestly after that.

apache · 06-07-2021 3:12pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Don't you mean ex-solicitors ?

Because I can't see how they could ever be trusted to behave honestly after that.

I know a solicitor, well known, caught coming into the prison with a bag of coke. No example was made of him. Still came in after that incident.
Judge believed he forgot it was in there and was for his own personal use. It was about 1g.

The same fella that wears the tracksuit and all the bling on a night out.

mikethecop · 06-07-2021 3:14pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Don't you mean ex-solicitors ?

Because I can't see how they could ever be trusted to behave honestly after that.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/solicitor-caught-with-cocaine-is-one-of-the-highest-paid-legal-aid-solicitors-36589045.html

is this guy still making prison visits ?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/solicitor-arrested-for-allegedly-smuggling-phone-for-prisoner-1.2450159#:~:text=A%20solicitor%20is%20at%20the,and%20may%20face%20criminal%20charges.

or this one ?

one would wonder why a in person visit was required . most court dates were being done via video link even a year ago.

many solicitors are far from a honorable people , why should they be exempt from rules when in a jail?

i certainly am not.

apache · 06-07-2021 3:18pm

It's me culture boss...

the beer revolu · 06-07-2021 4:11pm

apache wrote: »

It's me culture boss...

Braindead Post of the Week.

06-07-2021 4:24pm

apache wrote: »

It's me culture boss...

Not remotely connected

06-07-2021 5:06pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Surely they shouldn't be searched differently than a man? So if I know how to search a man then I know how to search a woman.

Honestly?
Not if you think it's even remotely ok to ask a woman to remove her bra and then visit a client, not wearing it.

el_gaucho · 06-07-2021 5:12pm

Furasta wrote: »

Probably had a metal wire bra that she really shouldn't have been wearing to a prison or an airport as it will set off metal detectors. The staff did their job not allowing it in because it could be removed from the bra and passed to the prisoner and possibly used as a weapon.

Honesty how you can become a lawyer and not think about situations like this is beyond me.....

She could have used it make a booby trap.

06-07-2021 5:15pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Honestly?
Not if you think it's even remotely ok to ask a woman to remove her bra and then visit a client, not wearing it.

Honesty YOU

You keep making all these statements, you back them.

apache · 06-07-2021 5:59pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Not remotely connected

Actually it is.

06-07-2021 6:03pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Honesty YOU

You keep making all these statements, you back them.

That's what is says in the link in the OP.
Now that's not ok.

SunnySundays · 06-07-2021 6:10pm

Handled badly by both sides...

There has to be a better way. As someone else mentioned earlier, the deal with at the airport with the wand or often a pat down where they ask you if you want a female officer and they usually trace the wire with their fingers etc. I have zero issue with that. I would have zero issue being asked to remove it for the purpose of scan once it was in a private area and I could put it back on immediately.

If it were me there wouldn't be a chance in hell of me meeting a client or anyone else braless. I would be embarrassed and uncomfortable, most likely the same for the other party.

She could have asked for it to be dealt with differently at the time or turned back and followed up afterwards.

As for those suggesting a non wired bra, most are wired, almost essential for a large bust and the vast majority don't set off alarms. I don't think I even have one without wire.

mikethecop · 06-07-2021 6:10pm

bubblypop wrote: »

That's what is says in the link in the OP.
Now that's not ok.

who asked her to remove anything ?

theres multiple story's on multiple sites but they all seem to say she was told she couldn't go in while there was a hit from the metal detector.

given the history of solicitors sneaking stuff into jails thats fairly reasonable

it is a jail after all

from the link
The solicitor said she was then told she would not be able to enter the prison if the monitor continued to sound, "so I would have to take my underwear off had I wanted to gain access".

TheValeyard · 06-07-2021 6:35pm

We know very little of the facts at the moment do we?

This could turn into a Carlow school situation. Or it could be a simple as a major fcuk up by the prison staff.

I'll hold off on judgement until I see facts.

Mav11 · 06-07-2021 6:46pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

We know very little of the facts at the moment do we?

This could turn into a Carlow school situation. Or it could be a simple as a major fcuk up by the prison staff.

I'll hold off on judgement until I see facts.

I don’t know how you can come to the conclusion that prison staff may have made a balls of the situation. It seems to me that they acted perfectly and impartiality within the parameters of the security protocols.

mikethecop · 06-07-2021 6:47pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

We know very little of the facts at the moment do we?

This could turn into a Carlow school situation. Or it could be a simple as a major fcuk up by the prison staff.

I'll hold off on judgement until I see facts.

true that

or she could have been trying to smuggle something into the jail and the POs suspected that ,

then she made a big scene to dissuade them from doing their job as effectively next time

06-07-2021 6:50pm

Mav11 wrote: »

I don’t know how you can come to the conclusion that prison staff made a balls of the situation. It seems to me that they acted perfectly and impartiality within the parameters of the security protocols.

Even if its againest irish prision service policy

Looks to me,someone is getting suspended

Hogzy · 06-07-2021 6:50pm

Furasta wrote: »

Honesty how you can become a lawyer and not think about situations like this is beyond me.....

When I trained to be a solicitor there wasn't any training on what underwear to wear to the office. :rolleyes:

the beer revolu · 06-07-2021 6:51pm

I get a sense that she, a solicitor, was outraged at being subject to the same security protocols as prison visitors and prison staff.

Because solicitors would never break the law!

TheValeyard · 06-07-2021 6:52pm

Mav11 wrote: »

I don’t know how you can come to the conclusion that prison staff made a balls of the situation. It seems to me that they acted perfectly and impartiality within the parameters of the security protocols.

Havent come to any conclusions at all.

06-07-2021 6:52pm

Hogzy wrote: »

When I trained to be a solicitor there wasn't any training on what underwear to wear to the office. :rolleyes:

Don't think her office is in the prison is it?

mikethecop · 06-07-2021 6:53pm

Hogzy wrote: »

When I trained to be a solicitor there wasn't any training on what underwear to wear to the office. :rolleyes:

did they cover prison visits ?

Mav11 · 06-07-2021 7:02pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Even if its againest irish prision service policy

Looks to me,someone is getting suspended

And rightly so. That solicitor should have been suspended immediately for acting so unprofessionally. Thank god prison staff refused to listen to her old guff.

Mav11 · 06-07-2021 7:06pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

Havent come to any conclusions at all.

Apologies. Fixed the post.

06-07-2021 7:06pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Yeah it is made out like the perp... I mean client was watching, it's going to be a woman checking and that's life

Have only read a few pages of the thread (had to give up after a few pages), so maybe this has been pointed out -- but, the engagement occurred in front of a group of men. Anyone can see how that could be humiliating, if you imagine your wife/ girlfriend or daughter in that position.

06-07-2021 7:07pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

Became solicitors would never break the law!

God bless your innocence. :pac:

06-07-2021 7:07pm

Completely stupid decision by the staff.

The obvious solution was to search the prisoner thoroughly after the visit, rather than putting someone just there to do their job in a humiliating position.

06-07-2021 7:07pm

Mav11 wrote: »

And rightly so. That solicitor should have been suspended immediately for acting so unprofessionally. Thank god prison staff refused to listen to her old guff.

hmm....looks to me someone in prision staff overstepped the mark

The Irish Prison Service (IPS) said today that "it is not the policy of the Irish Prison Service to request any person to remove under garments in order to gain admittance to a prison.

All theres left in light of this,is whether this solictior will settle for an apology,looks to me,if she wants, to push it,the irish tax payer will shouldering cost of a payout for over-zealous staff here

Mav11 · 06-07-2021 7:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

hmm....looks to me someone in prision staff overstepped the mark

All theres left in light of this,is whether this solictior will settle for an apology,looks to me,if she wants, to push it,the irish tax payer will shouldering cost of a payout for over-zealous staff here

“The solicitor said she was then told she would not be able to enter the prison if the monitor continued to sound, "so I would have to take my underwear off had I wanted to gain access"”

It seems to me that the only thing that she was told was that she couldn’t enter while the alarm was sounding. She seemed to have inferred herself that she would have to remove the bra if she wanted to get in and was helpfully informed if she wished to do this she could use a bathroom.

06-07-2021 7:29pm

Mav11 wrote: »

It seems to me that the only thing that she was told was that she couldn’t enter while the alarm was sounding. She seemed to have inferred herself that she would have to remove the bra if she wanted to get in

No, it says in the article she was asked about her underwear with 5 men standing there.

The exact quote was "Are you wearing any underwear?"

Mav11 · 06-07-2021 7:31pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No, it says in the article she was asked about her underwear with 5 men standing there.

The exact quote was "Are you wearing any underwear?"

A helpful suggestion as to what might be triggering the alarm?.

06-07-2021 7:35pm

Mav11 wrote: »

A helpful suggestion as to what might be triggering the alarm?.

Hmm. If I were a prison guard, I would simply ask if someone can think of anything on their person that is setting off the alarm.

"Are you wearing any underwear?" isn't a question that would dawn on most people.

Not really complicated, is it?

Hogzy · 06-07-2021 7:36pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Don't think her office is in the prison is it?

Yup, they did, and we visited a prison aswell. None of us were subjected to that level of search.

The J Stands for Jay · 06-07-2021 7:40pm

Mav11 wrote: »

“The solicitor said she was then told she would not be able to enter the prison if the monitor continued to sound, "so I would have to take my underwear off had I wanted to gain access"”

It seems to me that the only thing that she was told was that she couldn’t enter while the alarm was sounding. She seemed to have inferred herself that she would have to remove the bra if she wanted to get in and was helpfully informed if she wished to do this she could use a bathroom.

If the quality of writing in the article was better, we would be able to know if she inferred she should take off her bra or if she was told to take it off. As it stands, all the arguements happening here are pointless, as the differing opinions are based on differing interpretations of the article.

lulublue22 · 06-07-2021 7:41pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No, it says in the article she was asked about her underwear with 5 men standing there.

The exact quote was "Are you wearing any underwear?"

That’s how I read it too - as a female I totally get where she is coming from - who wants to discuss their underwear in front of 5 male strangers. Also felt sorry for her re trying to cover up with her jacket - who wants their nipples visible in a male dominated work environment FFS and unless she had a vest and a fairly thick jumper on it’s practically a given that they were. Work attire does very very little to cover the fact that you are braless to be fair.

Mav11 · 06-07-2021 7:43pm

I have on occasions had to enter Irish prisons for work purposes. I know that before I rock up to the security scanners that I cannot have concealed metal on me or other items such as USB keys. She should have also been aware of these requirements.

A number of years ago I broke my leg and had to get some metalware inserted. The prison scanners will be set off as a result and I have to roll up the leg of my trousers to allow the hand held wand directly on the skin to show that I am not hiding anything. I would be very disappointed if others, regardless of their gender were treated differently. It would represent a security failure and lack of professionalism by the IPS if it were any different.

Mav11 · 06-07-2021 7:45pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Hmm. If I were a prison guard, I would simply ask if someone can think of anything on their person that is setting off the alarm.

"Are you wearing any underwear?" isn't a question that would dawn on most people.

Not really complicated, is it?

Crossed posts see above.

I was asked had I metal in my leg. I said yes. Not really complicated at all is it?

06-07-2021 8:12pm

Mav11 wrote: »

Crossed posts see above.

I was asked had I metal in my leg. I said yes. Not really complicated at all is it?

Really? So they asked you about metal pins or plates in your leg? Wow, that's specific.

Did they not ask if you're wearing any underwear?

Kinda seems like the more obvious question would be "is there anything on your body comprised of metal?", but these prison guards, they sound like they are highly specific.

Mav11 · 06-07-2021 8:23pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Really? So they asked you about metal pins or plates in your leg? Wow, that's specific.

Did they not ask if you're wearing any underwear?

Kinda seems like the more obvious question would be "is there anything on your body comprised of metal?", but these prison guards, they sound like they are highly specific.

Specificity born from experience. These officers know their business, saves a lot of time, grief and contraband getting into our prisons.

No need to ask what I was wearing on my body, but I imagine to some, to be asked what was in my body would be considered far more invasive, undignified and worthy of an attack of the vapors.

TheValeyard · 06-07-2021 8:28pm

Rule of Acquisition 190

Hear all, trust nothing.

Mav11 · 06-07-2021 8:35pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

Rule of Acquisition 190

Hear all, trust nothing.

But never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

mikethecop · 06-07-2021 9:41pm

Hogzy wrote: »

Yup, they did, and we visited a prison aswell. None of us were subjected to that level of search.

you should have been,

even if you weren't expecting to be left alone with a prisoner for a private consultation

still seems like a in person prison visit in the middle of last year could have been done over the phone or via video line ,

wonder if there is much of a difference between the two when it comes to billing

Potential-Monke · 06-07-2021 10:23pm

Not sure about billing, but no doubt they'd use the "line is being monitored" excuse. Let's just make it like America, a room divided in 2 by Perspex and a phone to talk to each other through the glass. Wouldn't have to remove anything then.

Fallout2022 · 09-01-2022 4:23am

It's important to have a good brief.

Solicitor asked to remove underwear....

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