VW ID.3

McGiver · 08-01-2022 03:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118436285#Comment_118436285

I love one pedal driving in the i3. And in Tesla.

To be honest one pedal is the standard in EVs. No excuse.

I don't give a damn about dynamic regen that's all buzzwords. I want to be able to drive without using 2 pedals, specifically the brake pedal. I said it once here too - 3 pedals is museum, 2 pedals is archaic, 1 pedal is 21st century.

B and D is 1st gen EV concept - Nissan Leaf!

As a minimum, regen strength should be configurable with several levels like the Koreans do, then the driver can use strong regen to achieve one pedal driving effectively. If you don't like you can use weak regen...

OK I will ask you like this - does the car come to a stop by regen itself and not by using the break pedal? If not it's not one pedal driving.

All reviews about regen in the ID3 mention it's weak. Hence I asked if VW did any update around this.

In fact, I think VW did the B/D and weak regen intentionally to cater for conservative drivers coming from ICEV to create more automatic-ICE experience.

McGiver · 08-01-2022 03:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118436098#Comment_118436098

Don't care about efficiency but about driver experience. Don't want to use the brake pedal if not needed.

Didn't drive it...

What does the dynamic regen do? Is it in all trims?

For me, this remains a deal breaker if I can't achieve effective one pedal driving (in whatever way).

TitianGerm · 08-01-2022 03:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118439111#Comment_118439111

You can adjust the level of regen braking in the profile menu.

McGiver · 08-01-2022 03:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118439189#Comment_118439189

Does it come to the stop on the highest?

Does it creep? Auto hold?

TitianGerm · 08-01-2022 03:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118439208#Comment_118439208

Not sure, I don't use B mode much and when I do it's only on windy back roads.

Have you driven an ID3 or ID4? If not then there's no point making assumptions until you've at least tried it.

handpref · 08-01-2022 06:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118436965#Comment_118436965

Initially I thought the regen in the ID3 was too weak, not Zoe weak but nothing compared to the i3.

However I’ve been in and out of id3’s subsequently and it’s a much easier drive, and the regen is perfect for me.

The constant feathering of the accelerator in the i3 is tiring, because you always have to watch that it doesn’t pass the 3rd bar on the regen scale or it brings on the brake lights.

I can’t stand it when people keep braking for no reason and it’s easy to spot rookie i3 and tesla drivers with the light show coming from the back as they floor it and then come straight off to full regen-

08-01-2022 09:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118439111#Comment_118439111

1 pedal driving should definitely not be forced, I would hate to go back to one pedal driving like in the BMW i3, I want to drive they way I want not the way some company techs think I should.

Having different strengths is good so too is the option to turn it on or off and if having D or B achieves that then that's fine by me.

I saw around 80 Kw max regen, then again I haven't paid a lot of attention to it, it's strong enough, when you lift off in B you don't get max regen only when you press the brake pedal, when you press the brake it's plenty strong, you can see the green regen bar max out when pressing the brake.

08-01-2022 09:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118439964#Comment_118439964

The regen in the id.3 is way stronger than in the i3 which was only around 30-35 Kw in the id.3 I saw a max of 80 Kw but haven't really looked much in the app to see if it was higher.

I agree, the constant feathering of the throttle in the i3 was annoying which is why I am delighted with the ability to turn it completely off in the id3 and have regen only when pressing the brake.

DopeTech · 08-01-2022 10:38PM

Seriously considering an id.3 and am looking to buy late Feb early March but can't take out finance before then. Does anyone know if it's realistic to think I could order one early Feb and have it mid March? Standard spec.

Or what would people expect the stock of 1-2 year old ones be like then.

TitianGerm · 08-01-2022 10:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441405#Comment_118441405

No chance of ordering in February and having it in March. There's lads here waiting months for a car already.

DopeTech · 08-01-2022 11:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441522#Comment_118441522

Do you think there will be many used ones hitting the market?

fits · 08-01-2022 11:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441405#Comment_118441405

I’d there any reason why you couldn’t order it and apply for the finance when it arrives?

TitianGerm · 08-01-2022 11:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441547#Comment_118441547

Second hand ones available at the moment (demos) seem to be the same price as they were new and that's with 10k+ km on all the ones I saw.

Fingleberries · 09-01-2022 12:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441522#Comment_118441522

Unless you're not to fixed on a specific spec, in which case you might be able to get a cancellation.

DopeTech · 09-01-2022 08:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441556#Comment_118441556

To be honest I'd never thought about doing that but if possible might be the way to go so.

fits · 09-01-2022 08:58AM

You will be lucky to get anything in March even if ordering now unless you get a cancellation. Would be worth phoning around though.

McGiver · 09-01-2022 11:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118439964#Comment_118439964

I think you may not have mastered the "sweet spot" on the throttle in either the i3 or Tesla... 😎

In the i3 I don't watch the regen scale at all, I have a feel for it, I know where the sweet spot for coasting is for example and personally I don't care about the hard regen and break lights, the car does what it should. Also, I don't mind keeping the foot on the accelerator pedal at all.

Break lights should come up when the car's slowing down quickly, that's a safety feature. 1st gen EVs didn't do this which was a design flaw... Leaf mark 2 in B mode was slowing down rather quickly but no break lights.

So if when I test drive ID3 - should I set the B mode and also highest level of regen setting (3)? Assume also auto hold, I don't want creep.

McGiver · 09-01-2022 11:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118440873#Comment_118440873

We agree here. You're saying the same as me just from the opposite side of the argument.

I'm saying one pedal driving should be an option. But appears it's not in the ID3 currently. Which is disappointing because this could be easily done with a software update. And it's a standard feature in most EVs.

Leaf 3rd gen, Ioniq, Ioniq 5, EV6, Soul, Kona all have one pedal driving as an option. It's not forced but it's available if you prefer.

McGiver · 09-01-2022 11:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118441665#Comment_118441665

Yep, that's what I've observed. Ridiculous.

09-01-2022 11:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118442954#Comment_118442954

Well it kind of is because when in B it's as good as 1 pedal but haven't messed with the auto braking when it detects junctions and roundabouts, it was on in the beginning but I disabled it, it seemed intelligent enough but found it a bit too aggressive but must try it again.

I must try out B mode again and see if it's capable of bringing the car to a complete stop, it could in the BMW i3 94 Ah but the regen in the i3 was not nearly as strong so you had to be further away from your stop and lift off earlier to allow it to stop, and of course due to the weaker regen you might still have to use the foot brake if you need more braking power which I find is a lot less in the id3.

I don't think the regen in the BMW i3 94 ah was more than around 30-35 Kw especially when the battery was 12 Deg C or less because it's incapable of charging at more than 35 Kw on a fast charger at this temp and at around 10 degrees or less I've seen as little as 22 Kw at the fast charger, where as the id3 can charge at 60 Kw at 12/13 deg C at the same temp ( only from Ionity and 50 Kw at ESB 150 Kw Charger ), though the i3 might be capable of charging at a faster rate at this temp but due to the charging curve which is pretty bad on the id.3 if I had plugged in at 10% I might have seen more but I don't know because charging a 77 Kwh car at public charge points is very rare so I don't get to test this.

eagerv · 09-01-2022 12:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118442954#Comment_118442954

There is no right or wrong way, just personal preferences. I personally prefer a car to freewheel or drive with low regen levels. Love the way the ID predicts what regen is required when you lift off, if approaching roandabout, speed limit, bad bend etc. I would get foot cramp if my right foot was constantly feathering the throttle..🙂. Also I don't want to lose the habit of covering the brake pedal, because of the varied vehicles I drive.

Have briefly driven my wifes' new Ioniq 5 (Collected yesterday). Nice car but the paddles would drive me mad. Seems strange when in zero regen mode there is no regen when using the brake pedal. (Different to other Hyundais)

DrPhilG · 09-01-2022 01:20PM

I prefer the drive in the ID3, but I agree that full 1 pedal should be an option.

VW doesn't do well with options. I want the option to:

* Retain the memory for the wing mirror setting so it always dips on reverse.

* Remember the auto dip setting.

* Use either 2 or 3 panel option on the steering wheel display rather than it defaulting back to 2 panel.

* display the speed limit signs in my preferred unit rather than the unit of the country I'm in.

There are lots more that I don't remember off hand.

electricus · 09-01-2022 01:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443118#Comment_118443118

Good point about losing the habit of covering the brake pedal! I've gotten used to driving in B mode, except motorway/ N roads, but switched to D yesterday and after hitting a speed lump a bit too fast realised I've lost the habit of using the brake to slow down.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443086#Comment_118443086

B mode won't bring the car to a complete stop - brake is still required for that plus autohold if you want to rest your foot while stopped. I've driven a BMW i3 and much prefer the VW implementation of regen - my right ankle was sore after a few hours driving the i3.

McGiver · 09-01-2022 02:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443412#Comment_118443412

So no stop even with B and regen level 3 despite stronger/faster regen than in the i3?

McGiver · 09-01-2022 02:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443118#Comment_118443118

I think VW is simply a car made for the masses... They tried to make it simple especially for people coming from the ICE.

Volkswagen = a car for the folk literally

The Koreans prefer more customisation I guess...

KCross · 09-01-2022 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443590#Comment_118443590

There are no regen levels/paddles in the ID.

It’s D or B, auto hold on or off and dynamic regen on or off.

You seem to want 1-pedal driving or nothing so the ID is not for you. You should try it out though. Most on here have experienced both and all appear to be saying VWs implementation is better but each to their own I suppose.

side note… the ID will come to a complete stop on its own via ACC and will take off again within 10s if the traffic clears. That’s not 1-pedal but just to clarify that it does do that.

electricus · 09-01-2022 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443590#Comment_118443590

It slows down to creep speed but doesn’t stop without the brake.

Regen level for B mode in the ID.3 can’t be changed as far as I know.

McGiver · 09-01-2022 02:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443633#Comment_118443633

Need to test drive it. But one pedal is a deal breaker.

Will see how B and auto hold behaves...

Can you have B ON AND Auto Hold ON AND Dynamic ON?

KCross · 09-01-2022 02:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443658#Comment_118443658

Yes

but it’s still not the 1-pedal you desire.

McGiver · 09-01-2022 02:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118443669#Comment_118443669

Will try test drive with this combo then so... Cheers.

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