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Sock-Puppetting and the Current Affairs Forum

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Sock puppeting should be reported...trying to out somebody on thread is disgraceful. I got warned yesterday for discussing a poster on thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,916 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Think you might have a job proving that one...both accounts have been accused of being paid for by the Shinners....but knock yourself out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    the FB account made a number of non SF/Posts by mistake

    Did you have a specific "Sinn Fein" account (FrancieBrady) and then a general account (Happyman42)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,916 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    it seems that way. very odd that the mods allowed that. what is even odder is that the franciebrady account was created in 2010 but the posting about sinn fein, bar the posts already mentioned about the queens visit that they claim were a mistake, didn't start until 2016. the whole thing stinks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    There are posts in the FB history that were removed under a GDPR request, you are not seeing the whole picture as I have already told you. Simple explanation here is that the FB account was set up for a purpose with mod approval, and that purpose was no longer needed in 2016.

    I contacted the mods because the happyman42 account was repeatedly attacked for being a shinnerbot account, and asked could I close it and use the other account, that was fine with them. Other accounts like did the same thing around the same time (I can name one significant one, still posting away like myself)

    Two accounts are not against the rules if mods know and I hold my hands up to making a few mistakes in the 5 years. Sock puppeting though? You guys are desperate



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    Jesus lads will ye let francie maintain the proper separation between his accounts please

    This hounding the fella/s isnt seemly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,916 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    so you wanted to stop using the happyman42 account because it had a reputation as a shinnerbot account and then used the franciebrady account which basically does the same thing? Like I said, this stinks and doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    😀

    No, I wanted a break from the constant 'shinnerbot' attacks. Gets tedious as I said.

    I continued to give exactly the same opinions on threads as I had been.

    6 posts in 5 years, several of which had nothing to do politics or my 'shinnerbotting' (as you seem to think I am) 'stinks'?

    😀 😀 As I say..desperation.


    @blackwhite what search terms did you use to find the Queen posts BTW?

    Odd that you found them on a search.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,916 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I continued to give exactly the same opinions on threads as I had been.

    so no need to start using a new account then. if you keep posting in defence of sinn fein then the same accusations will start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yeh..correct.

    Now that you can prove by looking at the evidence. It didn't stop it, hey ho.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭CrookedJack


    Why would i need to prove it? I'm asking you a direct question, is my interpretation correct?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,916 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    it also makes it a reason for the change that is very hard to believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    With regard to politics Jack...I think it is pretty pretty batshit evident that both accounts are of the same opinion. So your theory is wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So where is all the sock puppeting then?

    You do know what sock puppeting is? Having two accounts with mod approval is NOT sock puppeting.


    P.S. I mistakenly thought it might make a difference to swap. I was wrong but for a brief period we all got peace from the tedious unproven Shinnerbot claims.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,916 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I doubt you had mod approval to have 2 accounts to post about sinn fein and related topics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭CrookedJack


    Well if they're posting in the same thread as if they are different people then it is sock-puppeting, inadvertent and/or mod-sanctioned or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I never had to have approval to post about SF...or FG or FF for that matter. What kind of nonsense is that?

    I had mod approval for the two accounts. As I said, mods will allow it if you inform them.

    Any evidence I was using that account in the 6 years to 'sock puppet'?

    Pretty lame sock puppeting you must agree?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I disagree...sock puppeting is premeditated and deliberate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,916 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    did you have mod approval to have 2 accounts posting about sinn fein topics? you didn't. you posted about sinn fein topics using both accounts at the same time. you didn't have approval for that. that is sock-puppetting. at first you denied it now you describe it as lame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Neither accounts posted exclusively 'about SF'.

    Did you seek approval to post about what you do?

    You are talking nonsense now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,422 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    site:boards.ie happyman42 franciebrady


    Fair enough if mods/admins back up your claims here - but that's the first time they've ever been aired before.


    Throwing abuse left, right and centre at people because they weren't privy to your secret back-room deals is....... well sadly typical of what we've come to expect of you TBH



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,916 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    the posting doesnt have to be exclusive to count as sock-puppetting. if you had mod approval for two account then that approval is only for certain topics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    How come you haven't reported this before if you knew I was Happyman42?

    Or did you want to just cause a bit of smoke? 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes, and I did use one account for a specific reason, bar making a few mistakes in 6 years.

    I still think you are a bit weak on the definition of sock puppeteering if you think the Hm42 and FB accounts were doing it.

    Anyway, after all that....🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,916 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    certainly not at the same scale as the posters in the OP but sock-puppetting nonetheless.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    OK, I've been out for a few hours sorting out the horses. Seemed to get more sense and co-operation from them than I can from some posters 😄(and I am not pointing any fingers at anyone in this thread).

    I see the discussion has turned to Francie and allegations of sock puppeting on his part. Can we stop that discussion now. Francie did recently use a second account for a specific purpose that he PM'd me about and I approved). I only became an Admin around 6 years ago and cannot directly comment on things that happened a decade or more ago. We have limited records from prior to the migration and search may not be much help, I will have a look, but I would initially comment:

    1. Having more than one active account is something we have clamped down on, although when I joined in 2009 I do not recall it being such an issue back in 2009, but I do recall seeing some action being taken based on what I saw in the Prison forum in the years following.
    2. Sock-puppeting has always been something that is not tolerated. Sock puppeting involves deceit. It involves individuals, groups of individuals or indeed organisations co-ordinating accounts to improve the appearance of their particular "cause" which may be political, but extends across all discussions where there can be a difference of opinion. It can create the impression that one side of the argument is stronger than the other. That can be done by having different accounts supporting the "cause", or indeed looking to discredit the other side by posting stuff that would typically wind up neutrals into opposing that particular side.
    3. I would, throughout my time as Admin, always permanently ban all associated accounts when sock-puppeting. As I have already indicated I have not seen that many examples of it during those 6 years I have been an Admin but equally there have certainly been some examples in that time. On the old platform there remained scope to appeal that in Prison.
    4. Using a second account when sitebanned or forum banned will usually result in a permanent ban of the new account and an extra month on the original account for a first offence. Second or third offences may see an escalation to 3 or 6 months or a permanent ban against the original account.
    5. Using a second account without permission is against site rules. Assuming there has been no sock-puppeting we will usually PM the user and instruct them to stick to one account.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    I will also add one further aspect of sock-puppeting which was prevalent in the recent example (and indeed helped put the jigsaw together in this case). People will use their multiple accounts to thank each others posts. Hence you may not see someone posting in a thread, but you might see them thanking every post from specific posters. In this case there were maybe 5 or 6 accounts doing this at different times. It creates the impression of strength behind arguments as they seem to be attracting "independent" support. If accounts are used in the way the principle is the same and associated accounts will be banned



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,543 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Thanks for that Beasty.

    I do wonder what would happen if I publicly voiced my suspicions about a poster 'sock puppeting' (I do have them) on a thread?

    I wouldn't voice them on a thread...but if I did I would expect them to be removed if they were not proven.

    P.S. Can the detective/judge/jury work be removed from this thread?



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