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Heavyweight Boxing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,262 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2



    Like the prospect of a Ruiz v Fury fight and it could do good business. I don't think I'd cross the road to watch him fight Helenius sadly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭Littlehorny


    Thought Ruiz vs Wilder was in negotiations?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Ruiz Fury is one worth the watch yea. Didn’t Ruiz have knee surgery? Maybe he’s recovered bow. Helenius I like but Fury would just eat him. Mismatch.

    I see Charles Martin is fighting Ortiz tomorrow. At least we’ll know after that. Watched Martin Washington last night again. Two donkeys lunging about, any decent counter puncher would have ironed either of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition



    Think Fury would take Ruiz fairly comfortably, but he could trouble more or less any of the other top contenders on his day. Looked a lot fitter for his last fight, hope he builds on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    got to love the wbc for ordering 80:20 split for fury whyte, delighted for hearn. Crap he pays fighters when they fighting aj, he was talking 55:45 at start of the month.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Emm I dunno. Fury has struggled more with smaller opposition before so it would go to how well he’d keep Ruiz away. Think Fury on points though but a test if Ruiz could be trusted to be in shape (which would be an issue for both). I think it would be entertaining.

    A 20% split for Whyte is still an enormous amount of money for him AND he gets a shot at 3 belts. He should still be mad for that. Is he worth an awful lot more? A couple of decent wins and no better than that, never fought in USA, numerous drug issues. He’s not a global draw that attracts boxing and non-boxing fans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    I think fury is using his physical attributes better and hitting harder then ever so would deal with smaller opponents better nowadays. Whytes only hope is to keep going to the body, nobody really tries that against fury, we knw he has v good chin now so the body may be a better avenue for success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    You make an interesting point lad. He is definately hitting harder and fighting more aggressively albeit using only 2 fights to really guage that against the same guy who he knew he had the beating of. Wilder began jabbing to the body (without real conviction) and it did have some effect on Fury. The plan I think was right but Wilder wasn’t able to execute it and use it well or often enough but he was outmatched in other more significant areas there.

    Whyte would certainly have to take the fight to Fury and a body assault could be helpful. But I’d say his face would take a pounding doing so. For him to win a second rate Fury needs to turn up and that’s something I have a haunch we will see in the next fight or two, especially if his opponent isn’t Joshua or Usyk. Fury has great spirit and recovery ability along with great mental strength/will to win, but as far as chins go he can be hurt and dropped and Ruiz or /Whuyte would both be capable of doing that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    Yeah reckon whyte would go all out early but would be stopped after 7. Reckon fury is looking at 3 more fights and off into the sunset so not sure if he will be complacent again. Yeah tbf most if not all heavyweights can be hurt but most do not recover like fury. Usyk beats joshua, aj will have to face wilder and if he lost those 2, he wont be getting a shot at fury. If somebody still says fury needs Joshua for his legacy if aj got bet in both of those - i give up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,498 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I’d rather see Ruiz/Fury from a boxing/style sense than Fury/Whyte



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    `yeah fury/whyte will be a grappling match



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Id have much more respect for him going all out from the off rather than being cagey which is a certain path to nowhere. Yea it’s possible but the chips were doing agains Wallin and he very nearly paid the price. Lot of doctors wouldn’t have allowed that fight to continue. But anyway, if Joshua went after Usyk he could very well beat him. If he boxes him Usyk is much better at that. Don’t forget that by round 8 or so that fight was still in the balance. Even after 10 there was nothign sure but Joshua was spent in the first 45 seconds of Round 11. If Usyk settles more into the weight then he could be too good for Joshua again and more than him. I think Fury needs more for his legacy the Joshua bit is changable. Depends if he’s to go down as good or great. If he’s retired at 35 undefeated then good not great for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Really?! I’m surprised at that prediction. Martin has very little defense. I think both of them have only been in 3 fights to go the distance out of around 30 or so after a quick check. I think Ortiz will puck the head off him. I’m thinking ko in about 5 or 6. Only doubt i have is that time may have caught up with Ortiz and I’m not sure he can still take a punch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    On legacy, no matter what fury does, some wont consider him great because its hasnt been the greatest era. Fury can only beat whats in front of him. I dont see the point in boxing until his 40. to remain undefeated in any heavyweight era would be a major achievement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,827 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Good fight yea. It may well get a mention on the lesser known great fights thread! Martin was well improved but the limitations remain his footwork is shocking and he’s so lazy throwing single shots. Ortiz did most of the good work and did well to come back from the KDs. If the Fury fight doesn’t materialise for him then Whyte will zone in on Ortiz now that it’s clear his legs are gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭megadodge



    That Faust / Kiladze fight sure was wild!

    I do think though that it shouldn't have been stopped when it was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Here did you guys see this from the other night? I think 2 days before the fight


    https://twitter.com/__iammalik__/status/1476747643619622912?s=21



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,832 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    He got himself stuck in a scrap I think 2 days out from his fight with Ortiz. At least that’s what I took from it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,881 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Who's the blue guy? Need to get him into a ring.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,832 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    nah thats not martin, i dont think, if it is he should retire 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    You sure? Jesus it’s like him. But then again SURELY there would be more noise about it other than on one twitter thread. My bad.

    So if it is he should retire… if it isn’t… he should continue?!🤐



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Bejaysus I wouldn’t fancy a wrestle with that man! Huge points for anger ability alone!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,498 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I’ve changed my mind on Fury/Usyk. I was thinking Fury’s height and size would see him be too much.

    but now I think that feet and nimbleness and movement and speed and volume and energy and fitness will see Usyk do really well, and he can absolutely beat Fury.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,832 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    ah walshb, it wouldnt be like you to bet against Fury 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,498 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I wonder what odds would/will be…

    Hard to know.

    I’m not even sold on Usyk yet. I mean, he only has 2-3 fights at HW.

    Not sure Fury is, or will be as nimble or as reactionary-fast as previously

    Usyk’s style: feet, movement, stamina, workrate; not to mention a real confidence and desire to win are impressing me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Well there are simply zero guarantees in this but here’s a thought I’ve had after watching the two big fights again over the last few days. I think the Usyk who beat Joshua beats the Fury who beat Wilder 3rd time. In that sort of condition with Usyk buzzing around it would be a horrible night for Fury. Usyk’s accuracy and variation, particularly to the body, would have put a big dent on Fury. Now in Fury’s favour he would absolutely adapt for that fight so the same version is unlikely. Even adapting in-fight Fury I’m sure would rush him and make weight and strength count for more.

    I’d still favour Fury on form. I didn’t think Usyk would work at HW and I’m still not convinced because Joshua was brainless against him and his corner were worse than useless.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,498 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, in the 2/3 fights I am not even including his first two against woeful opposition.

    we can only really judge Usyk, to date on his showing against AJ. And I’m with you: AJ was terrible..

    my basis on Usyk/Fury is based off their styles/strengths/weaknesses..



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