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Heavyweight Boxing

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭ squinn2912


    Really? Odd. So maybe they didn’t fancy Hrgovic? I don’t think hewould be a headliner fight



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭ yourdeadwright


    Strangely Usyk may have a better chance against the last version of Fury ,

    But there is massive talk that last time out Fury had a horrific training camp & in no way way planned to come in so heavy & what he called unprepared , Fury in the 2nd Wilder fight was strong & still had good movement/ defence, I reckon that Fury ko's Usyk



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,021 ✭✭✭✭ walshb


    Hmm.....I don't think any version of Fury can KO Usyk. I reckon it's a points fight. Usyk has a decent chin, and is also very fit and conditioned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭ Littlehorny


    Fury was in very poor shape for Wilder 3, he only trained for 4 weeks, if you look at footage of their second fight and third fight Fury is in way better condition in fight 2.

    I think one of the reasons that the third fight was so good was because the best version of Wilder fought a terrible version of Fury, if Fury came in 100% he would have mullered Wilder in 6 or 7 rounds.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭ yourdeadwright


    I have to agree, he was no where near his best shape physically but knew he could out fight Wilder ,



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭ badabing106


    Presuming fury stays with the same trainers , then You might be proven wrong here. I don't think Tyson will be going for nothing but a ko victory



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,305 ✭✭✭✭ Cyrus


    disagree, i think Fury can knock any heavy weight out, and at his size he should.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭ yourdeadwright


    AJ stung him with a few single shots, i think Fury can KO him,

    Lets be fair Fury, AJ, Wilder can KO any of todays heavy weights, including each other



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,021 ✭✭✭✭ walshb


    Of course Fury could KO Usyk. It’s HW boxing after all. I just think it is more likely he does not, for reasons I gave.

    I worded my initial post incorrectly. It was too matter of fact.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭ squinn2912


    Usyk would be very hard to hit but I think it looked more that way because Joshua never really went after him. Fury would and I think he’d find him. If Usyk were to pull that one off then what a fighter he is.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭ badabing106


    Uysk fight with Joshua was a dead draw until The last two rounds. Fury has nothing to fear from Uysk, Fury has boxing ability and is not afraid to fight. How can usyk win?



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,021 ✭✭✭✭ walshb


    I think it's rather quite simple;

    I am not a big fan Usyk in the historical sense. I don't rate him really highly here.

    But in today's era, the simple thing is that the man can look after himself, can adapt, can box and fight.

    Barring a KO, he will be a match for anyone. He has fundamentals, ring IQ, great stamina, great movement, great volume, and utter belief.

    Fury has size and weight and height and reach advantages. These traits are very important here, but I think Usyk can offset them to a large degree with his own skills mentioned above.

    If Fury was a banger, then Usyk's task would be far more difficult....he is not a banger. Usyk should be able to take, avoid/ride Fury's shots to see him go the distance at least

    Not sure who will start favorite, but no surprise if dead even, or Usyk a favorite. His showing against AJ this year should tell us a lot more



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭ yourdeadwright


    Bellew, Chisora & AJ all landed a good deal on Usyk & Fury is levels above those 3,

    Usyk out jabbed them all no surprise that will be harder v Fury

    He landed more power Shots than AJ but the same amount as Bellew & less the Chisora

    Personally i think Usyk was struggling at moments against Dell boy & AJ , I think Fury put him in those moments more often & capitalises on those moments ,

    Only chance give Usyk is to catch Fury with something short on the inside in the early rounds but if Fury gets into a rhythm & takes a few decent shots so he is alive to them i think he mows Usyk over in the second half of the fight and stops him ,

    I just think Fury on form is to clever not to get outboxed but also gritty enough to make it rough & hard at the same time,

    I think as bad as AJ was he had moments where if he just had the nuts or gas tank to step into the fire & stya there a little longer he'd have really hurt Usyk ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭ squinn2912


    That’s bang on for me. Fury looked to have power against a very static and therefore hittable Wilder. Did he trouble Wallin once? Wlad? He’s a big, strong HW and of course he can KO any man but he’s not a banger. My thinking was that of the top 3 Joshua was the most difficult opponent for Usyk - but only if he went for him and he didn’t, he negated all of his own attributes and fought Usyk’s fight only one winner there. It would be no surprise to me to see him win the rematch, write off a guy like that at your peril.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭ yourdeadwright


    Fury isn't going to stop you with one shot but he will stop you with an accumulation , Fury hits harder than people give him credit,

    You mention Wlad , he absolute shat the bed & didn't let his hands go because he realised Fury could & would get to him ,

    Fury said himself for 10 years everyone went out to KO Wlad with one big shot & lost, so Fury would be an idiot to do the same,

    Wallin fight is hard to judge Fury got that really bad cut in the 3rd & didn't want to get involved & possibly stopped,

    Its hard to judge Fury because tits only been Wilder of high standard since his move to the Kronk style,



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,021 ✭✭✭✭ walshb


    Fury, at 270 lbs obviously can punch a bit, we get this.

    But he's not a typical banger

    And, Usyk is a clever and resourceful and tough man, with a good chin, solid cardio, and decent defense when needed...

    This leads me to believe that Fury probably doesn't get the job done with one shot, and nor with accumulation....

    Usyk has the traits needed here to not get stopped, more than Fury has the traits to stop him



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭ yourdeadwright


    Time shall tell but my money is on a Fury stoppage around 9 to 11

    I can't get the fact that Dell boy hit Usyk so often out of my head

    Fury WILL get to him & he will make him pay



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭ Morrison J


    If you picked Joshua to beat Usyk based on the Chisora-Usyk fight then surely you pick Fury to beat Usyk without much hesitation. Fury can actually employ some of those Chisora tactics unlike Joshua.


    Fury got the versatility that Joshua massively lacks to go in as favourite v Usyk.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭ yourdeadwright


    Chisora & AJ where both missing what the other one has to go beat Usyk ,

    AJ didn't have the heart & durability to put himself in position's to land often enough ,

    Chisora lacked power & technical details to make his high pressure work ,

    Fury in my eyes has everything to get the job done ,



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  • Registered Users Posts: 48,021 ✭✭✭✭ walshb


    No, styles make fights....Chisora fights nothing like AJ, AJ fights nothing like Fury, Fury fights nothing like Chisora and so on.....

    Each fight can be assessed based off the two men fighting, and yes, previous fights can be considered, but they don't always follow a pattern.....

    Del Boy's rugged an rough style bothered Usyk. Del Boy would not bother AJ or Fury.....Based of styles and strengths and weaknesses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,305 ✭✭✭✭ Cyrus


    by that logic Furys roughhousing would really bother Usyk.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭ Morrison J


    It's really not that simple though as Fury is versatile and doesn't have one style like Chisora/Joshua.


    Joshua won't in a million years be able to recreate how Chisora fought Usyk. Fury can and will also do a far better job of it. If Fury was willing to take shots off Wilder in order to back him up I'm pretty sure he'll be willing to take shots off Usyk. You can't train that sort of mentality into Joshua (nor does he have the skillset to pull it off anyway).


    Thus it makes zero sense to me if those on here that picked Joshua to knock Usyk out on the night of the Chisora-Usyk fight aren't picking Fury to beat Usyk.



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,021 ✭✭✭✭ walshb


    Yes, Fury should get up close and use his physical advantages

    But Fury still fights nothing like Chisora.....that is the point.

    Fury can adapt. I know this......Chisora's kind of charging forward head down clueless and bull strong approach caused issues

    Fury won't do this, but he can still close distance and rough Usyk up if he thinks it will help

    But the very resoureful Usyk could also make this Fury tactic a difficut one to employ

    Key point: Fury fights nothing like Chisora. So using the Chisora fighter in assessing Fury-Usyk I do not think is wise



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,021 ✭✭✭✭ walshb


    Has there been any concrete agreement on AJ-Usyk II yet? Date/venue etc?



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭ yourdeadwright


    No nothing ,

    Personally i think AJ is trying to side step this but can't because Fury is tied up ,All AJ recent interviews have been nothing short of bizzare,

    The latest from the WBC that Fury v Whyte is a 80/20 split might give AJ the chance to skip this and late Fury fight Usyk

    The WBC can't by law put Whyte in a fight until the arbitration is over which is going to be earliest looked at in March ,

    Fury wants out in March time so AJ might get his wish ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭ Morrison J


    You're overthinking this.


    Fury can come forward and use his physical advantages which is what Chisora did to cause Usyk some issues. He can do what Chisora did but do it better. He's got much greater ring IQ than Chisora, as well as a better tank, bigger physical advantages and he couldn't be further from basic in terms of his movement which makes him much more difficult to read.


    I think Usyk is quite possibly P4P the best fighter on the planet but I just think Fury is going to be all wrong for him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭ squinn2912


    I get what you’re saying and that’s why I make Fury a decent favourite but I’ve just said that it won’t be a straightforward night for him at all. I don’t expect him to KO Usyk but a late stoppage wouldn’t shock me either. I thought after the Chisora fight that Joshua would be far too big and strong for Usyk but he wasn’t and Usyk dealt with him very well. That’s why I’ve reassessed on Usyk and think he will test Fury.



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,021 ✭✭✭✭ walshb


    Who said Fury cannot get close and use his physical advantages?

    I actually said that he can. I am not over-thinking this.

    I have simply gone from being firm on a Fury win to being not so firm. I think this could be a close call. Usyk can win....

    For me Fury's best plan to win would be to crowd Usyk and use the weight and size and strength in close....

    Usyk's best is to be a moving target and in and out and set a very busy, but unpredictable pace. Have Fury reaching and chasing and fallIng in..

    Usyk is one clever man...

    Intriguing fight



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭ Morrison J


    Completely agree I think it's a really good competitive fight between two excellent fighters. I just think looking at it logically you'd have to side with Fury if making a pick.


    Usyk was able to negate Joshua's advantages in size mainly due to Joshua's completely conventional and basic style being so easy to read. It's a completely different story against Fury who has the massive size advantage but also the ring IQ and ability to mix up attacks that Joshua lacked.



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