Heavyweight Boxing

Good point yea. He’s well down the order yet troublesome against very high level. He was 10 years too late really putting it in which is a pity. When he got the European title shot Pulev beat him in 2nd gear. So he never really got that big win to take him to title shots. I think you mihght mean Molina he fought both and Breazele. Two clowns in that company. He fought Whyte twice and lost both and the standout fights are Takam and Spilzka where he won (excuse all my spelling errors). He’s something of a gatekeeper but beating him isn’t anything that certain that a fighter is top top level either.

Yea that’s the thing for Parker. Plenty of room for him if he wants it. Wouldn’t rule out him holding a belt again. But equally see him falling down the order either.

Jaysus I doubt it on Hughie. He’s ok like and wiley and will cause lots of problems but he always looks like a poor man’s Tyson when Tyson wasn’t that good. Anyone high level has beaten him even if the Parker one was a poor call IMO. I still fancy too many lads to beat him though

Haha great post!! Yea there was nothing wrong with the losses to Fury or Vitalai. The Haye fight he was pretty dreadful. Heavy and cumbersome following Haye around. Haye was very talented though and the speed killed. He was still on his game at that point. I think the Pulev fight really held him up. Pulev breezed him. It was SD but I remember watching it and I didn’t think Chisora deserved a round. There’s a SD against Helenius as well I don’t remember that fight so if you add the 2 Whyte fights that were very close had he come out on the right side of those it’s a very different conversation. To qualify that he could well have ended up KO’d by Takam too. For his ability which I feel is very limited he has been in some great fights against stars. Had he beaten Pulev he likely would have had a shot at Joshua as well. And he’d have no fear there. If he went after it who knows he has good heart.

On Hughie you’re spot on yea. Those boys will have moved on and he will or should still be there. It’s hard to see that in those 5 years no one will overtake him though. Top 5 though as you say is realistic and that could mean some big title fights too. But, his best win might well be Hammar? Am I forgetting someone? I guess it should be Parker but it isn’t. He had a chance to fihght Whyte and passed it up which may have been sensible at the time. He’s won his last couple of fights so he would need to kick on I think. Would he beat Dubois, Yoka, this Anderson fella? One thing about him he’s very slippery but he doesn’’t have power to burn to scare the best lads.

Emm I dunno. Fury has struggled more with smaller opposition before so it would go to how well he’d keep Ruiz away. Think Fury on points though but a test if Ruiz could be trusted to be in shape (which would be an issue for both). I think it would be entertaining.

A 20% split for Whyte is still an enormous amount of money for him AND he gets a shot at 3 belts. He should still be mad for that. Is he worth an awful lot more? A couple of decent wins and no better than that, never fought in USA, numerous drug issues. He’s not a global draw that attracts boxing and non-boxing fans.

You make an interesting point lad. He is definately hitting harder and fighting more aggressively albeit using only 2 fights to really guage that against the same guy who he knew he had the beating of. Wilder began jabbing to the body (without real conviction) and it did have some effect on Fury. The plan I think was right but Wilder wasn’t able to execute it and use it well or often enough but he was outmatched in other more significant areas there.

Whyte would certainly have to take the fight to Fury and a body assault could be helpful. But I’d say his face would take a pounding doing so. For him to win a second rate Fury needs to turn up and that’s something I have a haunch we will see in the next fight or two, especially if his opponent isn’t Joshua or Usyk. Fury has great spirit and recovery ability along with great mental strength/will to win, but as far as chins go he can be hurt and dropped and Ruiz or /Whuyte would both be capable of doing that.

Id have much more respect for him going all out from the off rather than being cagey which is a certain path to nowhere. Yea it’s possible but the chips were doing agains Wallin and he very nearly paid the price. Lot of doctors wouldn’t have allowed that fight to continue. But anyway, if Joshua went after Usyk he could very well beat him. If he boxes him Usyk is much better at that. Don’t forget that by round 8 or so that fight was still in the balance. Even after 10 there was nothign sure but Joshua was spent in the first 45 seconds of Round 11. If Usyk settles more into the weight then he could be too good for Joshua again and more than him. I think Fury needs more for his legacy the Joshua bit is changable. Depends if he’s to go down as good or great. If he’s retired at 35 undefeated then good not great for me.

Good fight yea. It may well get a mention on the lesser known great fights thread! Martin was well improved but the limitations remain his footwork is shocking and he’s so lazy throwing single shots. Ortiz did most of the good work and did well to come back from the KDs. If the Fury fight doesn’t materialise for him then Whyte will zone in on Ortiz now that it’s clear his legs are gone.

Here did you guys see this from the other night? I think 2 days before the fight

https://twitter.com/__iammalik__/status/1476747643619622912?s=21

He got himself stuck in a scrap I think 2 days out from his fight with Ortiz. At least that’s what I took from it.