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Schools to close again.. Covid

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    Definitely! I do agree.

    But unfortunately - as can be seen from the parents posting in this thread - teachers firing off one email a week is fairly common and likely to happen again if we have another lockdown. I know some of my colleagues will be doing this … it’s already being discussed on our staff WhatsApp.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd be certain you will be. There is no logical reason for any further restrictions or closure to happen. The government and nphet created uncertainty earlier in the pandemic with mixed messages and closures. But those variants of covid were a different ball game. It has to be said that they were really mild for school going children to though. Omicron over the last 2-3 weeks has proven to be the end game. We are almost there now. Let the kids back and we will see this out. Anything else is just delaying a full reopening of our economy and a full return of our liberties. I think it's to much of a political suicide not to ooen up now. Omicron will not impact anyone including teachers in the schools. I assume teachers are vaxxed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    I hope you're calling them out for their shoddy approach to the education of the children in their care.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,808 ✭✭✭Treppen


    You don't seem to grasp the statistics.

    Yes you are more likely to die from a road crash... But road deaths aren't transmitted through the air in enclosed spaces or on surfaces!

    As I said above, it's not about you or pupils or the general population who aren't that disrupted by COVID (I had it myself and wasn't too bad). It's about keeping our health service ticking over. When they get overrun it'll be cancelled operations, cancer treatments postponed and decisions about who lives and dies in ICU .

    Consider the possibility of health system is crashing and not only that but yet another variant Comes through !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    Yes I am - both in person and you can see me doing the same on boards. I’m also calling out other teachers who are defending and denying this is happening.

    i hope you are too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭lulublue22



    Pot kettle black springs to mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭joe40


    God I hope you're not a teacher with that kind of flippant attitude to school closures.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Probably really off topic but i think we actually need to stop with the PCR testing. It should only be done now for hospital admissions. Thay would help us moce on quicker. And put nphet out of the picture too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita



    A really obscure website called gov.ie.

    Here are two recent dates for comparison. I suggest you contact the HSE or Nphet to correct them as Holohan definitely seems to think that hospitalisations are increasing. Anyway, I've had enough of this nonsense.

    Statement from the National Public Health Emergency Team - Sunday 27 December

    From Department of Health 

    Published on 27 December 2020

    Last updated on 29 December 2020

    As of 8am today, 324 COVID-19 patients are hospitalised, of which 26 are in ICU. There have been 50 additional hospitalisations in the past 24 hours.

    Dr Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health said:

    "We have seen a significant increase in the number of hospitalisations in the last two weeks from less than 190 to 324 today. This indicates a deteriorating disease trajectory nationally and is a significant reminder of the severity of this disease.

    For comparison:

    Statement from the National Public Health Emergency Team - Friday 31 December 2021

    From Department of Health 

    Published on 31 December 2021

    Last updated on 31 December 2021

     The Health Protection Surveillance Centre has today been notified of 20,110* confirmed cases of COVID-19.

    As of 8am today, 682 COVID-19 patients are hospitalised, of which 86 are in ICU.

    Dr Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health said:

    “Once again, we are reporting another very high number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Ireland. The number of people in hospital with COVID-19 is continuing to increase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭joe40


    Yeah I do understand all that.

    What do you suggest we do now considering we probably have as high a vaccination rate as possible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    You are completely misinterpreting that data. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it’s not on purpose.

    Take a look at the @joebloggs32 data linked above - that is far more accurate and relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭History Queen


    I'm convinced we'll open, I'm not sure if it's the right call or not to be honest, but I do think it's what will happen. At least at second level. Thwre is probably an argument to be made about delaying the reopening of primary to allow the vaccine rollout to happen, I haven't really seen many people call for that though, so maybe not.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,169 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Ok.

    Stop pcr testing and dismantle nphet and 'return our liberties'

    I understand exactly where you are coming from now.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ?? Yes stop PCR testing. it's the only way to end the mas hysteria about the daily numbers. Which aren't even accurate. NPHET are telling us this. So whats the benefit to doing them? None. Lets get on with life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭Golfwidow


    Yes, I agree! As a teacher who worked hours daily from the first lockdown online and offline, communicating with parents, doing live lessons and recording lessons for those who couldn’t attend live, correcting and more… ( mostly 12-13 hour days), I am very tired of so much teacher bashing. Yes, some teachers did not do as much as others - this was usually down to individual school policy and poor school leadership in most of these cases. However, many schools including my own went above and beyond because we truly care and worry about our students and their families. Right now, we have problems employing enough substitutes to cover teacher absence and I worry that the constant negativity towards teachers is going to have harsh consequences for our future generations as this career path becomes less attractive to potential students. Who would want to enter a profession about which the media/ social media seems to welcome derogatory comments? Some teachers are now retiring earlier/ changing careers/ going abroad because of such negativity and disrespect. Isn’t there good and bad in every profession? Don’t people ever consider that teachers were thrown into the first lockdown like everyone else and many had no skills and quite often little IT equipment to teach online. Many of us used/ bought our own equipment. It was not provided by the Department of Education and Skills. I know of a teacher who had to record her lessons in a car park on the grounds of a hotel because her internet at home wasn’t adequate but she did this right through the lockdown to help her students. Aren’t we all in this together? The majority of teachers care greatly about the mental health of their students and their families but who actually cares about the mental health of teachers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Actually I won't look at any more data. If the CMO says that hospitalisations are increasing that'll do me. That's an English sentence with actual words. We don't need Isaac Newton to explain it, or Dr Goebbels to give us an acceptable interpretation of it for us.

    Thanks be to God these boards are anonymous - hopefully in 10 years time nobody will be able to trace the fact that I was discussing hospitalisations with a teacher like you who won't even do their own job never mind organising the Health Service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    Again, and with the greatest respect, you are misunderstanding and/or misinterpreting the data you are referencing.

    I’m not sure if you are doing this on purpose to suit your own agenda. Hopefully you simply don’t understand what you are reading.

    Edited to say - it’s always worrying when someone says “I won’t look at any more data” because I’ve found something (that I don’t understand anyway) that suits my own agenda. Particularly worrying when a teacher says that, and bordering on unethical and immoral research integrity and research practice. Hopefully that’s an approach NOT adopted by teachers on this thread when in the classroom.



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I just can't see how they'll open on the 6th. A good number of my neighbours have contacted covid over the holidays. It's absolutely rampant. The daily numbers are only a drop in the ocean.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭hesaidshesaid




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Are you actually serious?! You admit to your version of teaching from home is sending one email a week to pupils and then you have the nerve to lecture another teacher about their approach to teaching?! Have you no self awareness?

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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,559 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 789 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    Pen, you're wasting your energy.

    There used to be a poster called Katydid with a very similar style of posting to Teachinggal. Make an incendiary statement, wait for someone to respond. Focus on one small element of the response and harp on until all discussion becomes tangled in minutia and is rendered meaningless. If she could keep somebody on the hook long enough she would eventually claim to be a victim of unfair treatment, which would spark another chain of responses. With Katydid it was all about getting a response, any response, to make her feel part of things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭timmymagoo


    I will go to work Tuesday and everyone of the 20 employees will be in , reason being our employer will not pay for absence through covid and this is true of the vast majority of workers In this country

    Do you see where I am going here

    I don't want to get into a tit for tat thing here

    Lets leave at that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival, Sprints, Getdown Services, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '26 - Deftones, Sleaford Mods, Franz Ferdinand, Stereolab, Big Thief, The Cure, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,466 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Tit for tat. That's exactly what you're aiming to do. You can't guarantee everyone will be in your workplace on Monday. We are told to stay home if we have covid. Plenty of places of employment are struggling because of staff being out for covid. Schools are not unique in this regard, only students cannot be left unsupervised if a teacher is absent. To imply that teachers should just go to work if they have covid is irresponsible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Only issue with this is that they've scheduled the LC oral exams to take place the first week of the Easter holidays. Both couldn't happen at the same time (since the whole reason for moving them is said to be because of staffing issues) so it would have to be one or the other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭timmymagoo


    I can guarantee my fellow employees will be there , all highly paid and bills to pay, we are not going to take 350 Into our hand, Teachers don't

    We have known since March 2020 we are all not in this together

    Let's leave it there , Teachers will do what they do because they can

    Private sector people like me will do what we have to, we have no choice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    A lot of talking into the mirror in that house by the sounds of things!



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