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Schools to close again.. Covid

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 JP2000


    Are you capable of saying anything else? The same thing from you over and over is beyond boring at this stage and is consistently derailing actual interesting discussion



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,169 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Hello again.

    The thread was moving a long quite nicely but is probably in danger of going off topic yet again, so I won't add anymore off topic posts.

    Over 23k today. Keep this up and I cannot see us going back on Thursday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    @ShamoBuc

    “… the idea that teachers sit at home doing nothing is one that regularly gets thrown about by the anti-teacher brigade.“

    @ShamoBuc with respect, that is a ridiculous statement. We all know some teachers did nothing during the last lockdowns. Some did well, some did nothing … discussed to death here and both teachers and parents agree (yes, teachers have admitted this … read a few posts up).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    What leave am I entitled to if I have covid? Do they require a positive PCR cert? I have a few positive antigens today but getting a PCR result before Thursday is unlikely.

    Also, my kids are required to do 14 days (10 if negative PCR on day 10 - again, will be difficult to get these tests), I’m out after 10, is there leave available for minding my kids for the remaining 4 days?

    What is the best course of action here?

    All help appreciated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭timmymagoo


    Home schooling is teachers and students both sitting around doing nothing

    That's the reality and I think you know that, well i hope you do

    Home schooling is a complete cod and teachers grading leaving certs is an even bigger cod

    The complete dumbing down of education

    But hey what can you do



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,169 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    I think the rules are changing from Monday. Down to 7 days and there's talk of a positive Antigen test will do for work until a pcr can be sought. Covid sick leave was upto 30 days continuous I think. The union websites might be a good place to get more accurate and upto date details though. It seems to be changing regularly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    I notice you are a very new Boardsie who only seems to post in this thread.

    Welcome !

    And goodbye!!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,169 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 JP2000


    Not sure how that’s relevant to be honest. I’m more of a reader than a poster. I only post when I really have the need. After reading so many of your posts saying the same thing over and over, I felt the need.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    With the hospital figures falling nicely and Omicron spreading but having no real medical impact on people id say the schools will open as planned

    Any delay makes very little sense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    I agree with this and think schools will open.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,169 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Hospital figures were going up by 10% the last few days. There's been as many positive cases of Covid over the Christmas period as there was in all of 2020 and the outlook is around 20,000 cases per day with pcr appointments rarer than hens teeth. Hospitals are under huge pressure staffing wise as the leading headline on RTE states. Add in the number of teachers and students who will either be positive, sick or close contacts come Thursday and it would be seriously Not sensible to think that it needs serious consideration as to whether it would be sensible to open schools and further exasperate the situation.

    Absenteeism of staff at hospitals and schools is a serious consideration and rightly so. Time and numbers will tell a lot.



  • Posts: 563 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That was the experience of my relatives too. They’d kids in the early stages of primary school and the online teaching consisted of an email and work sheets being posted home and maybe 1 very feeble attempt at an online (pre recorded) class.

    They got more support from Home School Hub, TG4 and just doing their own home teaching than from the school.

    Like most things, you can’t generalise. Some teachers were phenomenal, others really didn’t pull their weight and hide behind the outstanding work of some of their exemplary and enthusiastic colleagues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    You'd better get in quick so and book the Computer room if the once a week email from home option is ruled out for you this January.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Hospital figures falling nicely?

    12 Dec - 193

    19 Dec - 233

    26 Dec - 324

    1 Jan - 656.

    Yeah, dropping like a stone.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    Texting colleagues today and most of use are close contacts or positive! I'm locked down for the next few days, will be able to go back to work if I do a few more negative antigens. This is the same all over the place. Schools will probably open but there will be a lot of free class (secondary level).


    Someone asked about about leave. Lots of principals saying on Twitter how they don't know,they haven't been given guidance on leave. We're hoping a positive antigen will be enough, but maybe not.


    I'm absolutely dreading online teaching again. Very almost made me walk away from teaching last summer. We do a full timetable of live classes, very little engagement from students.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭joe40


    School closures at this stage should be an absolute last resort.

    Pubs, restaurants, household visits should all be banned before we consider closing schools again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    So you think there should be a level 5 lockdown if schools are short-staffed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭joe40


    Staffing is a separate issue and should be looked at on a school by school basis. Some may have to close but that is very different from closing all schools.

    My position is further school closures will start to have societal issues due to the sheer numbers involved in missing education. Especially at primary level and especially for special needs kids. There are vital milestones that must be met.

    So yes in a way if the health system is so drastically affected then level 5 restrictions are preferable for me than simply schools closing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Ah but it’s people getting out and then going back after the break because they’d be bored at home didn’t you know?

    It doesn’t matter anyway as the ICU number is the only game in town and even that doesn’t matter because they were all going to kick it eventually anyway.

    Let it rip. But those godforsaken unions will scream blue murder and deny the childer an education for who knows how long.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    The thread seems to moving a long quite nicely with a few non-teachers contributing but is probably in danger of going off topic so I won't rise to this obvious attempt to derail the tread yet again.

    Good luck next week to parents, teachers and our students. Let’s hope all stay safe and students get the best teaching possible under the circumstances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    Where did you pull those figures out of? They are completely innacurate.

    There was 682 in hospital on Nov 28.

    By mid December it was still over 400.


    The lowest number on xmas eve occured as the hospitals thmeselves had reduced overall occupancy for the festive period by finishing up electives. With fewer patients on site there is a lower chance of in house infection. In the last 24 bours discharges of covid patients were twice that of new arrivals, however hosipatal detected (ie patients in for something else) meant that a potential fall of over 60 in total was reduced to 10.

    What is telling though is that ICU case numbers are down about 20% from about a month ago despite the tsunami of Omicron cases.


    Between boosters/vaccines and natural immunity along with Omicron as opposed to Alpha & Delta we are nowhere near where we were 12 months ago. We need to go back to school and get on with teaching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    So 'no' but kind of 'yes'. Societal issues my eye - society will not crumble if kids are not physically in school for a few weeks. Lots of them won't and don't show up for various reasons anyway (though the Minister for Ed doesn't talk about these........ever. A sense of perspective will be needed whatever happens.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Icu is down. That really is the only important figure going forward. We are told that we are probably at 40k cases a day and hospital icu's are really being impacted. Schools will open. I don't think there is any doubt about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Gov.ie - Google it.

    By the way, do not lecture me on what we need to do in schools. Keep your arrogance for someone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭Random sample


    I’m baffled that anyone can find certainty in these times. I think there is doubt about everything at the minute in relation to schools. As someone above said, I’ll believe I’m back when I’m standing in my classroom on Thursday morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    @Rosita, as @joebloggs32 says “Where did you pull those figures out of? They are completely inaccurate”. I’ve looked at Gov.ie and those are not accurate figures you are referencing.

    edited as I didn’t see Rosie’s response a few posts above



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Yeah. The best teaching is not firing off one email a week you'd surely agree?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    I'm not lecturing anybody.

    Simply pointing out factual innacuracy on your numbers of patients in hospital.

    I then simply gave my view on why we should go back to school.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,466 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Regardless of the effects of covid on children and anyone they come in contact with, if the basic premise that you are to isolate if you test postive from PCR/antigen test, there will be a proportion of those 20K+ cases a day who are teachers. If there are enough teachers absent in a school next week where the school cannot stay open due to sub shortages, schools will send year groups home or close. It will be largely irrelevant how many children attend, if there aren't enough teachers present to teach/supervise, then the school will shut regardless of what NPHET/Dept of Health/Dept of Education say.


    My school was spread very thin in December for cover with teachers out. All extra curricular activities were cancelled as we couldn't provide cover for those teachers and those that were absent due to covid. We have a number of student teachers and they are flat to the mat covering classes.



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