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Fighter jets for the Air Corps?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,253 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Any way back to the actual topic. So Harry your sitting at home eating your corn flakes and Shanwick rings you and says Harry we got a problem a Easyjet flight from the canarys heading back to belfast wont return any calls. Its currently 30 mins from wexford and due to fly up over the east coast and it seams to be losing altitude. In are current situation what advice would you give shanwick?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,447 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Text 'Brits' to 51010 for your QRA response!

    SMS messages cost €2.00, plus your operator's standard network rate. Please ask the bill payer's permission before handing over your sovereignty and your dignity as an independent State.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    Well in my 27 year career as an Intercept Pilot for US Customs first, then for the Dept of Homeland Security, which I retired from, I used to do exactly that. Among many other things, I would intercept smuggler airplanes, most of the time as a pilot, but sometimes as an armed apprehension team member as well. We would take turns on who flies and who goes in the back and jumps out upon landing to make the arrest.

    But to answer your question It depends on what the unidentified craft does, if an aircraft is in controlled airspace (above 18,000ft or around airports etc.) it needs to have its transponder on and be in active communications with the controller (not true for all airspace, but true enough for this answer). If it doesn't, it's going to get attention, quickly although in Ireland there is next to no threat for any malicious aircraft coming into our airspace so the idea of shooting anything down would almost never happen anyway apart from extraordinary circumstances like us getting into a war in which our fighter jets would be next to useless.

    The whole point being we have no need for fighter jets, hence the reason we don't have them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,373 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Along with direct help with intelligence, allowed some installations in the Innisowen peninsula, and worked plans with the UK for dealing with an invasion and even had an RAF officer attached to the Air Corps throughout the war though to avoid politics he was acting for the Air Ministry throughout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,253 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    To Late Navan town center is no longer. Turns out the easyjet plane lost cabin pressure killing all aboard and a few thousand in navan where it crashed.

    If we had only some way of intercepting to see why the plane would not respond to calls maybe we could have done some thing like a brave Taoisach call for a shoot down over the wicklow mountains before it crashes in to Navan saving thousands of lifes.


    Note where issues like this has happened weather in grease or the USA shootdown was always the last worst option. But they where able to get a picture first to see what was going on to inform the descion makers with the information they needed



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Gary kk


    A sure it's just Navan. Needs painting anyway



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    "Next to no threat" sounds a bit like my position of carrying a firearm around with me. I strongly doubt I will ever need it. Statistically, I will never need it. I can't envision putting myself in a position where I would ever need it.

    But if I need it and don't have it, it's a pretty damned big glaring capabilities omission.

    However, let's say it's not just another day in Ireland, it's the day of a visit from the Pope. Or the President of the US. Or a summit meeting of the COP-26 nations. Or whatever else brings people of note to the country's shores. I believe the Army have deployed air defense assets as security for some such events in the past, thus indicating that they at least are honoring the threat of an air incident. For what good an RBS-70 may do against a larger aircraft. If the Army will honor the threat, should not the air corps?

    Dohville's question remains unanswered, but if you do make an intercept with customs, what's the course of action if the intercepted aircraft chooses not to follow instructions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,253 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I think you would get a quicker responce out of fastway at this stage



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    That's a little unfair. It's a holiday weekend, and I don't check in on Boards every day, even when it's not a holiday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    I forgot to ask you, why the hell did the pilot decide to crash straight into Navan centre and kill thousands rather than crash somewhere a bunch of innocent people were gathered in close quarters?

    The only reasoning you guys seem to have to warrant spending hundreds of millions on fighter jets is fanciful rubbish that lacks logic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    I agree completely with the first part of your post, if you walked around with a firearm like one of those crazy Americans thinking you need it just to be safe then I would think you are crazy.

    Same thing applies to us buying fighter jets which we don't need, the logic you used comparing having a gun just to be safe and having fighter jets just to be safe is very relevant.

    The reason we don't have fighter jets is because we don't need them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,253 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    He/she choose Navan because they werent in control of the aircraft.

    Would you not be a bit more concerened about the PC12 Spectres the state bought?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭Psychlops




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,447 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I was on a flight from Dublin to Rhodes that day.

    As it turned out, we were heading south over the Balkans at the same time that the doomed Helios flight was in a northwesterly track to Athens and unresponsive to ATC calls.

    Our flight and perhaps a dozen others were diverted to Thessoloniki and held on the tarmac for over an hour. When we disembarked onto fleets of buses, four Greek AF F-16s could be seen standing by on the outer apron, I never found out if they had escorted any of the other diverted flights, but their strobes were on and it appeared they were awaiting orders.

    When we reached the terminal we were allowed to switch on our mobile phones for the first time. At that time in 2005, it was only voicecalls and SMS and as each wave of passengers walked in, you could hear a thousand text alerts all at once as people's families tried to contact them, knowing they were on flights in the region where the News was reporting an unresponsive flight of indeterminate origin.

    As we know now, the Helios flight entered an automated holding pattern for its scheduled stop-off in Athens, with the flight crew and passengers suffering from Hypoxia. Two members of the cabin crew on an independent oxygen supply, visually acknowledged the fighters that had intercepted the 737 and attempted to retain control, with one of them an early trainee pilot. Unfortunately the engines flamed out in turn from fuel starvation and the plane was sent into a languid spinning descent, with the two cabin crew seeming to have had a hand in directing it away from heavily populated areas before impact with the ground.

    Later in the day we continued on to Rhodes, in silence for the most part, having learned of the crash and reassured our families we were not involved.

    It was the most sobering incident I ever personally experienced in aviation until 9 years later, on the way back from Australia, a few days before Easter, I walked in to the transit lounge in Dubai Airport to be greeted by the sight of dozens of people in bandages and dressings, with crutches and wheelchairs. Some of the survivors of the Brussels Airport bombing who were fit to travel, were being escorted onwards to the places they were trying to get to when the terminal was attacked. Sickening.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Perhaps you missed the point of my firearm analogy. Despite the fact that I find it highly unlikely that I will need it, I still wear one in case the odds catch up with me. Same reason I've fire extinguishers in the kitchen and garage. I don't expect anything to happen that the house might burn down, but if the unlikely, not impossible, does happen, at least I've a capability which could save the day, as it were. For want of a nail, to use the phrase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Gary kk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Gary kk


    I know the chieftain. Those great vids. I should have put a smiling face to show I was joking. My bad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Freddie Mcinerney


    Navan is a ship?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    So I'm looking at this quoted post above....

    And then this post over on Current Affairs.

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    and I'm kindof wondering how to square the last line of the second post with the first line of the quoted post.

    Any guesses?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,891 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Walt...

    Not your ornery onager



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    The second picture is just showing up as a white page for me, can you please tell me the post?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Gary kk


    Living in Dublin your whole life.......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭Heraldoffreeent


    Probably did it all on Zoom...................



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09


    i wouldnt entertain it MM hes been caught, could remember a 27year career and couldn't remember a lie he told (wrote) a few hours before hand. Unless there proof beyond doubt he acting done it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,891 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Has started a good few trollish threads imo.

    Post edited by Esel on

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,253 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    So Harry again back to the point of the Thread. An aircraft is heading for this Island its not answering any comms and seams to be slowly losing altitude. So what does the state do? How do you propose we as a state deal with this issue ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    https://youtu.be/lHbZou96KZw

    One for the albatross fans -

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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