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Fighter jets for the Air Corps?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,447 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I don't think so Manic. Why should the debate be limited?

    If someone wants to argue about WW3 ideation and what the conversation actually is, they'll be disabused of the notion quickly enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,373 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Spoiler, the HSE won't improve, infact it will only get worse as while it's now the HSE, underneath its still the same fragmented Health Boards structures, something that was made clear with the issues of bringing it back online after the Hack, with the IT systems completely fragmented.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,373 ✭✭✭sparky42


    More than a few have just jumped in, declared they couldn't be bothered reading through any of the previous posts, so I'm not sure whether a Sticky would be of much use to be honest?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Have you seen what he is doing at the Border with Ukraine? You really are clueless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 824 ✭✭✭newcavanman


    I meant the public sector in general not the DFs



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Gary kk


    Your probably right but one must dream of better a future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09


    just going to put it out there…this has gone well off topic because of one lads uninformed opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Don't worry. We'll let that episode pass and get the thread back on topic pretty soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,447 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    We?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    NHS got hacked too despite UK advanced cybersecurity institutions. We do not have enough to come even close to be able to "protect" HSE and even then HSE does burn though enough to spend some of it on securing their network. Ransomware is global problem but please go ahead and put a number needed for irish army to be able to "cyber protect" HSE.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Gary kk


    Don't the Russian have the keys to load of American power stations? I seem to remember an piece on somewhere.

    Just so you there was a major hole found in all system just to weeks ago it from a source code in java I think. But basically it's open country for anyone that wants to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Getting back on topic.....The Air Corps is considering the purchase of both the KAI F50 and the Gripen as replacements for the PC9M. Source: Wikipedia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,373 ✭✭✭sparky42




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,330 ✭✭✭source


    Was there a source provided on the wiki page?


    Edit: and what wiki page were you looking at because this is all the Irish Air Corps page says on the topic:


    The Pilatus PC9S are planned for replacement by 2025,49] The two CASA CN-235s are due to be replaced in 2023 by two Airbus C295 maritime patrol aircraft which will also be used for search and rescue, transport, special forces operations, MEDEVAC and other utility roles. 50)

    In June 2020, the Irish Times reported that a five-year investment strategy document, published by the new Irish government, included the potential for "air combat interceptors".5l The speculated purchase of fighter/interceptor jets would represent a change from the use of British jets to intercept unknown airplanes encroaching Irish airspace,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Yup. Type in KAI F50 and read paragraph Development.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Correction. Its under operational history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,447 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Speculative articles by bored Crime and Security correspondents being referenced in a Wikipedia page should be printed off and hung in the toilet for use as bog paper, for that is what they are worth.

    The Air Corps are not considering anything of the sort. The Department of Defence (who are the ones who do any actual considering) are not considering anything of the sort.

    Who knows what the Commission on Defence may recommend, but whatever it does will be tossed around by the bed wetters and window lickers for years before any policy on jets is actually decided.

    So please Jonny, for the love of Christ, please make a new year's resolution for yourself that in 2022 you will try not to post the same stream of absolute scutter and nonsense that you have polluted these threads with for the last few years.

    Frankly, none of us have any patience left for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,919 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    the source quoted is a question on quora.com. May as well be two blokes talking down the pub



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    There we are then! And me old buddy Sparky accused me of planting it to corrupt the discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,919 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    mentioning it brought nothing to the discussion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09


    I think the FA50 theory was shot down fairly quick, they were looking for Ireland or Slovakia to be the European launch customer. Not going to happen.

    These are the options presented as of Jan 21, it most likely a mouse matt for a civil servants pc.

    Serbs are negotiating with Rafale for the purchase of there aircraft after they increased their budget to 1.1 bln and want to compete with Croatians.

    serbias gdp of 55 bln with a 1.1 bln defence budget and Irelands gdp 477 bln with a 760mln defence budget. We are doing a fantastic neglect job on the DF/AC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09


    I remember that day quiet well JFK was an enormous mark on the horizon of Dalkey.

    Any option would be preference as we are been shown up now by other nations who dont listen to the ''we dont share a border with Russia'' narrative.

    they had an F/A18, E-2 Hawkeye and a heap on seahawks in Dublin Airport.

    Post edited by Sgt. Bilko 09 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    They seem to be forgetting that we only share that border because our country was partitioned against the will of the vast majority of the people of Ireland under the threat of ''immediate and terrible war''.

    If Britain is close to getting wiped out then we should remain neutral, but knowing how easy led our government is, they would have us manipulated into ending our neutral status before the first shot was even fired.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Thank you for posting this. It made very interesting reading. I hope that others will read the briefing paper enclosed within your post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,253 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    Well we were neutral for the entirety of the biggest war in history despite endless pleas to join it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,253 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    We are Non Aligned. During WW2 we supplied vital information to the allies. This included U Boat movements to Weather information for D Day landing.

    This states offical stance was sit on the fence and see what way the wind blows before we commit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Harryd225


    A few small incidences doesn't take away our neutral status, Hitler didn't seem to have any disliking towards us over any of them tiny irrelevant details.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,447 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    We weren't neutral in WW2, we were just delinquent.

    And it was in favour of the Allies anyway, whatever it was.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    The Germans, as any competent WW 2 army did, wargamed and planned for every eventuality and invading Ireland was one of them. It was not taken up because they knew full well that the Royal Navy would have smashed any maritime invasion force that tried to reach Ireland from France and the RAF would have done the same to airborne forces. They were quite content to be able to hit Belfast, the real industrial heart of the island of Ireland, at will with their bombers at night. There was nothing South of the Border that was of any strategic or tactical value except the Ports of Shannon and Cork,as they would have made excellent U-boat bases. Distance saved us. Germany understood that while we were neutral, we were utterly dependent on the USA and Britain for all military supplies,especially fuels,oils and lubricants. At one point,we were down to about 500 gallons of Avgas for the Air Corps, so no air defence was possible. Socially, we were also highly dependent on remittances and pensions from, respectively, the Irish diaspora and the UK. I dont know the figure for pensions originating from the UK, but I did read that it sustained something like 1 in 8 of the Southern population. For all the posturing and hot air against the British, we needed their money, the earned pensions,the remittances and their supplies. The only thing that was of any real value that Germany ever supplied to us was the Ardnacrusha Dam! We owed nothing to Germany in any legal or moral form,not even neutrality as our survival depended on our former enemies and our distant friends.



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