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Schools to close again.. Covid

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭noplacehere


    Any chance we could please not do this again?


    Everyone should be working to the best of their ability from home. It is up to management, boards of management etc to police their individual staff. Not us here


    Debating it on boards is just a crap shoot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 789 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    I remember the thread when the schools closed for the first time* and I remember the contributor who insisted they were a teacher who was enjoying the time off and making zero effort to continue teaching. I thought at the time that we were not hearing from a teacher but from somebody with a grudge, who was taking the opportunity to pretend to speak for teachers and to show them in the worst possible light.

    No actual teacher would risk the damage to their professional reputation by neglecting students like that. Imagine standing in front of a class and asking them to pay attention and follow instructions after behaving like that! Imagine dealing with parents in matters of discipline or even just at parent teacher meetings after having gleefully abandoned their children! Absolutely nobody would put themselves in that position. Nobody.

    I still think that the contributor in question is taking advantage of the anonymity of the internet to carry out a sad little crusade.


    *Under a now-defunct username.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    So you were not really interested then … just looking for another reason to attack me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,466 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Bananaleaf, no point getting stressed in your holidays. She uses the Trump style of defence, deflect, deflect, deflect... ignore any questions asked that should have an easy answer and continually attack other posters. Just stick her on ignore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    @HazeDoll teachers are doing exactly what you say. There are multiple examples of teachers doing 1 email a week or less during lockdown. Parents on many threads confirming that, and other teachers on this thread saying the same.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 789 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    Is there still an ignore button on boards? Or is it possible to mute somebody?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Were you getting much subbing in the first term? I really hope we do reopen, we have a couple of sub teachers/trainees, not being paid for them is a nightmare, must be even harder for people in that position.

    We had kids too really dreading the lockdown, in fairness the staff and support staff are unreal but the level of wrap arounds we can offer in person are just so different.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,169 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    I remember the old threads mentioned earlier and yes, there is a very common if ironic theme to them.

    Which is a pity. The thread title could be a good discussion point but will has already descended as the others have.

    With the numbers at 20k and the real numbers probably closer to 30k as Holohan has said, I doubt schools will reopen.

    NO 'actual' teacher wants to return to online teaching, apart from the obvious health reasons. Online teaching is only a temporary bridge in education. It was very poor to begin with but certainly has developed into a more adaptable and user friendly option. An option we don't want but will probably be forced upon us nonetheless.

    Hopefully, if it does happen, it will only be for a week or two. The thoughts of predicted grades etc should be parked for the moment I think as it would be way too early to make that call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,466 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Health issues and teaching & learning issues aside, my main issue with returning to online teaching is that the very vocal ISSU will be howling for predicted grades next week, without any real basis for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Guys, I'm sorry. Descention of thread was my fault. I should know better. Have the ignore thing done now, so🤐🤐🤐🙈



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    No - not wishing to be disrespectful - not interested in a private explanation (public explanation might have value) from an anonymous person on such a forum. Why would I be? You have your own circumstances and that's your business. My only difficulty with you is after admitting you made little effort yourself you turned hunter on other imagined targets guilty of the same misdemeanour.

    And if you call what I've done "attacking" you, you have a very sheltered existence indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,812 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    Very busy with subbing and the supervision. I'm fortunate that I'm ok financially, so in that sense it isn't a problem if the schools don't re-open. But I certainly think that the kids are better off in school getting some work done. We have to live with this situation, so time we started living with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭History Queen


    I can't figure it out since the changeover. Might be worth asking in feedback?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭RealJohn


    I count three accurate descriptions of your carry on in this thread/at home while working from home. If you find them “personal” and “insults”, maybe you should have a think about yourself and how you carry on, both here and when you’re supposed to be working from home. I’d feel personally insulted if someone said that about me too, but in my case, it wouldn’t be the truth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Yes, things will move with great agility and that debate will be front and centre very quickly. But I think no matter what happens with schools opening that's inevitable anyway. I even have come across people in the current Fifth year who are already talking about it for their year on the basis that they were deprived of their JC exams, and TY so disrupted. And I have come across teachers who favour it too.

    As for predicted grades this year - I think even if schools open it'll be looked for. And in any event absenteeism will be so rife that schools opening will simply be for show. Will make no difference to disrupted learning. In fact it'll add to it as teachers will be able to do neither in-school or on-line satisfactorily with half a class in front of them.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,169 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    I agree we have to live with it but not when we are getting over 20k daily positive cases.

    When it returns to the pre-Christmas levels, the managebale levels, we can get on and live with it then. An extra 10% in hospitals daily does not bode well if the numbers continue. The knock on effect is that hospitals will become dangerously full, not even ICU, just beds. That is what they are afraid of happening and opening schools will allow the spread to continue at the current alarming rate.

    I mentioned absenteeism earlier and if you have seriously big numbers I think you will have half full classes which is of no real benefit I think. Great experience and money for subs and students in 4th year of training college though.

    Hopefully in 4 or 5 days the numbers go back down somewhat but it is looking doubtful, as you can see how impossible it is to get a booking for a pcr test currently.

    We are all better off in school but only if the numbers go back down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    I count 7 or 8 personal insults which are definitely against site rules. Pathetic that some on here feel the need to resort to that level instead of debating the issues I am raising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Can you give us a clue of where your school is so I can make sure my grandchildren avoid It? Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    LOL “turned hunter”! I’m stating facts which teachers on here would prefer to ignore.

    And yes I am getting attacked and personally insulted. If this was happening in your class to a student who had a view that the majority of other vocal students didn’t agree with would you tell them they had a “sheltered” existence? Interesting pedagogical approach!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    But you're not a student in my class. Not sure why you try to make an inappropriate comparison. We treat children and adults differently - not sure why you want me to adopt a "pedagogical" approach with you.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,169 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Over 20k again today, another 10% in hospital with Covid and as long as there is a serious demand for pcr tests, this number will stay steady unfiortunately I reckon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭RealJohn


    Maybe instead of counting “personal insults” (that accurately reflect your self-proclaimed lack of work ethic and professional pride), you should prepare a few classes so you don’t have to just email your students once a week if the schools stay closed again in a few days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 789 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    I can't figure out why so many of you continue to engage with some contributors. You're playing their game and losing!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    You are an anonymous poster on the Internet. You are not a colleague I work with daily. You are scrambling for comparators but there aren't any. This is a very specific environment with its own style of engagement.

    I don't imagine, for example, you would challenge openly a colleague who wasn't active enough on on-line classes especially if your own performance left - by your own admission - something to be desired. But you do it here.

    I know you are desperately looking for offence but there's isn't really any. You've just been fairly, reasonably, and civilly, challenged on fairly demonstrable double standards. No more but certainly no less.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,559 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    Can I point out that school buildings closed, but schools didn't, please?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Indeed, and school buildings closed to students. I know of several teachers who did online classes from the school. Obviously when LCs were back anyway that was common practice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    I’m a bit shocked that you think the personal abuse - and it is exactly that and specifically against site rules - I’ve been subject to is “fair, reasonable and civil”. Again, I’d worry if this is the standard you apply to your teaching.

    You should block me and join the other posters in their echo chamber. No dissenting voices will be tolerated, right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    I notice that Stephen Donnelly is being reported as saying schools will reopen in a car-crash interview (the part I heard) when he oscillated between telling us what was "government policy" and that he backed the Nphet advice on socialising tonight which is at variance with said government policy. A real struggle between the learned-off answer mentality and the need for real-world agility in a rapidly evolving situation.

    But as a reminder of how easily and fluently these people lie, he's one from this day last year.

    https://amp-rte-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1187084/?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16409645755863&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rte.ie%2Fnews%2F2020%2F1231%2F1187084-covid-school-closures%2F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    I have directed no personal abuse towards you. If you think otherwise report the post.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,169 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    I think this is indicative of your posting style.

    The above really should be a pm to a Mod.



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