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Schools to close again.. Covid

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Your comprehension levels are very poor. No revision whatsoever of what I said. It is literally all the same. To be fair to you though, I did change my vocabulary so I see how that could be confusing.

    Maybe it's because it is so late, but I am genuinely not sure if you just wrote all that stuff to try and annoy me or if your comprehension skills are that bad that you really do think that is what I'm saying. I was going to say that I hope it's the former (that's the first one I said), but actually, either one is just as abysmal as the other 😬



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    It’s very telling that you resort to personal insult and completely fail to address any of my substantive points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Yes, I agree. I think that at least for as long as Covid is about, it will be a thing. There has to be some safety net in the event that a student got Covid during the exams. I know Norma was putting on resits in July, but it wouldn't be impossible to be out with Covid for both sittings.

    I had been thinking up to now that the AG would be there in the background in case they were needed for the likes of a scenario above (everyone must sit exams, but if you have a Covid-related illness then AG kicks in), but I think if we are going to see mass absenteeism as you (correctly imo) predict, then they'll have to be given the choice option, same way last year's cohort were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭History Queen


    God, the thoughts of a predicted grades system being used again. Was any review published of 2020? I remember it being promised but did anything come of it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Oh actually I don't know if a review was done on it.

    I've been expecting having to do it since September tbh, but I honestly thought that this year's cohort wouldn't get the choice to opt for them and instead the LC would revert to being compulsory, the AGs only being reverted to in the event that a student couldn't attend an exam because of Covid



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭History Queen


    I've been really hoping to never have to do that rubbish again. I feel it undermines the education system. That being said, I've come to realise that education is fairly far down the list of priorities with The Department of Education so I'm trying to reach acceptance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭RealJohn


    I’m sure it was reviewed, or that the review is ongoing (or that the process of having meetings to select a committee to select the committee to select the criteria for the review is underway) but unless whoever’s running the department of education likes the findings, we won’t hear them until they’re released in thirty years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭RealJohn


    I never implied that it was an urban myth. I implied that it only happened in a small minority of cases, which is the truth. I don’t know anyone who did it, for example, and I don’t know anyone who’s complained that their child(ren)’s teacher/school did it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭RealJohn


    Just because you’re a lazy teacher and proud of it doesn’t mean that it’s widespread.

    Whinging that you’re being targeted personally after bragging about doing a bad job doesn’t sound like any teacher I’ve ever met either.



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If schools are back by Feb 1st I'll be surprised. I'm expecting most of not all of the first term at home tbh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    I count 3 personal insults in your post.

    it is widespread … read the posts from parents in this thread and others. Good to see that you agree with me that this is not acceptable from teachers. Have you called this out where you have seen it? Or is it just me that you are personally attacking from behind your keyboard?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,808 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Sweet Jesus not this again.

    I feel like Marty McFly being dragged into the delorean for another sequel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    Yes, unfortunately this is becoming an issue again and likely to be of concern to parents.

    Its perfectly valid to discuss how teaching continues (or not) during a school closure. Seems like teachers are the only ones trying to sweep this issue under the carpet. I wonder why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    🤣🤣🤣 To my embarrassment, I didn't realise it was the same unhinged door as the last time until well after I'd opened it

    The hills are alive with the sound of cray cray!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    You didn't do yourself any favours by posting this the other day: "The one email a week thing happened in multiple schools both primary and secondary. Teachers here don’t like hearing this (and will defend lazy colleagues to the death) but it did happen and was fairly widespread. I did it myself with no consequences!!! And if schools close again it’ll happen again."

    If you are getting on the moral high ground it's best to make sure it's fairly stable under your feet. Maybe a case of 'physician heal thyself' ahead of a potential on-line situation from next week? Get organised so you don't find yourself looking around saying "what about him/her?" when you get a tap on the shoulder from your Principal. Other than that it's a very abstract conversation about people who might or mightn't be involved in this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I cannot say what happened in secondary schools but I can say that the ' 1 email a week' was widespread in primary schools. However this did improve in some schools during the second lockdown.

    Teachinggal is right - many teachers here seem to be trying to bully her away. She's not wrong in what she is saying - I really wish teachers would call out the teachers who effectively stuck 2 fingers up at their students by ignoring their education - stop saying this didn't happen - it did and will happen again. They let your profession down.

    And no having young Children is not an excuse to ignore your students and just send a list of work once a week - there is prerecorded lessons, typed notes etc that could be done instead of live lessons. Many professions still had to carry out their duties as completely normal while looking after young children.

    Anyway that's my last post on the matter - I know noone will agree here with me. In the real world however many parents don't agree that all teachers worked to the best of their ability - most teachers however did do an excellent job - that doesn't excuse the teachers who didn't though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Im fed up with this virus. We decided we are going to go out and try to get ity to get it fucin over with. I think opening the schools will help us enormously with our new task.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Teaching Gal's own contribution would have been far more valuable if she'd given us an insight into why she only sent one email per week herself and was part of the problem. Is it lack of It skills, just plain laziness, lack of motivation or whatever? Rather strange to go calling out others as if she was an exemplar of good practice herself. Inevitably those double standards will attract the wrath of others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    I’m not sure why there is an obsession with me and what I did or didn’t do. I assume it’s an attempt to distract from the perfectly valid points I’m making.

    Edit: @rosita - I have explained my own situation this but didn’t matter to the teachers on here. If you are being honest and genuinely interested I’ll pm you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Nobody is saying she is wrong though.

    People are just a bit taken aback by the fact that she "calls it out" in one breath and admits to being one of those who only sent the one email in the next breath.

    Do you expect the many hardworking, insightful, regular contributors to this forum (posters who were teaching their full timetables to their students during the day and then coming here in the evening to discuss/give tutorials and advice to others on new technologies) to take a dressing down from someone of that ilk?

    Have a read through her post history from about the time of the other school closures before you decide to back her up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    I’m not giving anyone a “dressing down” ffs. I’m simply stating the fact - yes, the FACT - that many teachers did not work during lockdown. Teachers don’t like hearing that, and that is exactly why I’m getting attacked and personally insulted.

    If you disagree with me and believe teachers should not have to work during lockdown because they have children or parents to look after I’ll respect your opinion. I disagree, but I respect your opinion.

    @Banana - again, could you lay off the personal digs and insults please? I’m sure you have the ability to make your point without resorting to that level of debate. I hope that’s not how you treat colleagues and students that you disagree with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Can you please quote my post where I said that teachers with children shouldn't have to work.

    You have alleged a number of times that I said that, so please quote it.

    Since you continue to avoid the question asked of you, re: consequences, here is a more straightforward one for you:

    Why did you only send an email a week to your classes during lockdown?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    @Bananaleaf - you seem to have ignored the comment by @Deeec as follows:

    And no having young Children is not an excuse to ignore your students and just send a list of work once a week - there is prerecorded lessons, typed notes etc that could be done instead of live lessons. Many professions still had to carry out their duties as completely normal while looking after young children.

    Why didn’t your friend do any prerecorded material or other flipped videos etc? She could have still done full classes asynchronously. Did she do anything at all apart from one email a week? Material could have been prepared when the child was asleep or the partner was available. Why was this not done?

    TBH it seems very strange that you think this acceptable but you are clutching your pearls whenever I post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    You posted this last night:

    “Edited to add: No, I don't think that all teachers who did one email a week to their students are sh1t teachers. A close friend of mine did it. But she had no other choice because she had her children at home during lockdown and one of them was very young.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Oh ignore Teachinggal123, you can search for previous posts, not worth anyone's time.

    Online learning improved as the pandemic went on but not everyone wants to learn a new skill. There are people in every department in the country not doing their jobs, and most buisnesses. It's the nature of any large organisation, you will have people who simply have no pride or motivation to do their job. Baffling to those who work hard but they are there. In teaching, in health, in Tusla, social welfare, everywhere. Unions have to protect everyone, look at teaching in the UK or some states in the US if you want a world without them. Again, like most large institutes they are flawed and need constant feedback and alteration from membership but we are a damn sight better off with them.

    Echoing those above, the vast majority of teachers I know worked very hard during lockdown, most would hate to return to it though, it's not what we signed up for and it is not as effective. Socioeconomic disadvantage is compounded and its hard to recover those hard won gains. I hope if we do have to postpone going back it's a short, sharp shock of a week or two, with our vaccination rates this could be doable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,466 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Aren't you the one who was on here about two years ago saying that you were pulled up for giving marks in FETAC exams for tasks students didn't complete. And your defence for that was 'the printer wasn't working in my room all year' and you were too damn lazy to go and ask anyone in your school to go and look at it. Total abdication of personal responsibility in your subject. And you spent a lot of time last year trashing teachers in the Covid forum to anyone who would listen. I think you need to look in the mirror.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Please reread my posts properly. If you are able to do that you will see that I did mention that she pre recorded lessons.

    Gonna repeat my questions for you because it appears you missed those too:

    Can you please quote the post from me me where I said that if you have children you shouldn't have to work online?

    Why did you only send one weekly email to your students during online learning?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    I find it very odd that you would offer to provide an explanation by PM while in other posts essentially saying there are no excuses. Best to leave it (the PM I mean) I think. Obviously an explanation at the same public level you have admonished others would not be inappropriate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    You specifically said:

    No, I don't think that all teachers who did one email a week to their students are sh1t teachers. A close friend of mine did it. But she had no other choice because she had her children at home during lockdown and one of them was very young. “

    Are you changing your story now and saying she did more than one email a week? What did she do? Why was she feeling awful?

    Also, are you going to address @deec points above or continue to ignore them?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,812 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    As someone in the middle of teacher training I can only hope the schools re-open. Almost every teacher I know feels the same, bar one or two.



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