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The Omicron variant

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,443 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Worse that they're rejecting so many vaccines (AZ at the start and others recently due to lack of administrative capacity).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    Is there a link between being HIV positive and breeding new variants or am I reading you wrong?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    In immune suppressed people the virus can live much longer and change more.


    One third of South Africa is hiv positive.


    It's a big Petri dish, add in that getting people to take the vaccine in South Africa and across Africa as a whole is meeting a complete wall of disinterest, regardless of vaccine availability



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,242 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog



    They banned everyone entering France from UK entering France

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,242 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    They need a serious increase in restrictions over there now, not after new year's. They've been an absolute shambles from the very start.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Run it's course again? God almighty it's been declared dead more times than it's been alive.

    Looking back. It's been declared dead at every point by the people who want to pretend it was never a big issue. But of all times to declare it to have run it's course, this is one of the absolute worst times. It hasn't even peaked in this wave yet. Wouldn't you wait a few weeks until its clear that it's peaked before you declare it dead again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,110 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    It was only ever a big issue to a minority of the population. Now would be a perfect time to let it flow with a weak variant around.

    It’s what Mother Nature wants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I suppose that's what you tell people with cancer. Or what you'd say if you get high blood pressure "no thanks, no medication for me, doctor. Mother nature, and all that". Guff.

    Seriously. I know loads of people don't care what argument they use to reach the conclusion that we just need to drop restrictions and "let it flow". But now, before it had peaked, is an absolutely daft time to suggest it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭corkie


    Most omicron hospitalizations incidental


    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,449 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Update. Ireland has had 22 deaths in the past week, an average of 3 a day.

    Poland, with 794 deaths today had 265 times more deaths than Ireland or a per capita rate of 35.5 times our mortalities.

    Slovakia with 68 deaths has a per capita death rate of 23 times that of Ireland.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This variant is so infectious, my wifes friend (unboosted) picked it up out christmas shopping.

    Wife went for drinks at her house night before she developed symptoms.

    Her friend tested positive next day with antigen at home and antigen at pharmacy.

    Wife has tested negative with pcr today.

    We restricted movements and had to skip christmas lunch with her ones.

    Now they all have it (8 in house all +).

    We dodged a few bullets this christmas, but its only a matter of time.

    Long runs the fox.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    It's that easy to catch she tripped, fell, landed on something else



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    This variant is so infectious, my wifes friend (unboosted) picked it up out christmas shopping.

    It seems to be incredibly variable. Has been pretty much from the start too. Some people get it even if they follow all the precautions to the point of paranoia, others don't with caution thrown to the wind. I've heard and actually know of a load of households where some got it and others didn't even though living on top of each other, even people sharing a bed. That was the case with Alpha, Delta and now with Omicron, even though it's far more infectious. Then we have those who contract it but are asymptomatic. With previous strains anyway it was something like a third of positives fitted into this category.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    Very good case study for what vaccination but also some mild restrictions do the Covid death rate.

    Slovakia has just 50% fully vaccinated or so, Poland about 60%. Czechia has about 71%,do you have mortality data for CZ?

    If we see a correlation between th death rates SK<PL<CZ then it's pretty clear...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    I was criticised here for saying that Omicron R0 is approaching the measles.

    It's a know fact in medical and scientific circles, obviously. A doctor said the same on Newstalk radio today.

    Incredibly transmissible. If you're in the same room with any infected person you'll catch it...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    While omicron is crazy infectious, it does seem to be only infectious for a small period of time.

    Has there been any data on this yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Its well established that people who share even a bed dont always get it from infected people pure spoof mate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I don’t know if there's research but it'll be hard to compare. The vaccines and boosters reduce the infectious period. So it's a moving target. As more people get boosters the less time they will be infectious when they get the virus.

    The vaccine might be the biggest factor in reducing the infectious period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I was thanking my lucky stars that I got my vaccine, my dose was very very mild but without it, it could have been nasty.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    And yet I've been in a room for hours with a couple of someones who got a positive 24hrs later and I didn't? Neither did another person. I currently know one household of five who got it last week and two are still negative on antigen and had a negative PCR.

    As for the R0 value, measles is pretty much the most transmissable infection out there. It has an R0 of between 14 and 18 depending on the source measuring it. The common cold is around 5. Chickenpox around 11-14.

    Please show me a credible source, not some "doctor on newstalk" either, that claims omicron gets within an asses roar of the R0 of measles. Any credible source I've read has it at between 3-5. That's a bit off even the lowest level R0 of measles. So on current credible data I'm calling bollocks on that.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    From talking to people at work, neighbors, friends, ive just realized. There are more people I know who have covid at the moment than I know who havent got it.

    FCUK!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    On the subject. While it may change with more data I've yet to see any solid evidence Omicron is intrinsically more transmissible than Delta.

    It's rapid growth can be put down to its ability to spread among those with prior immunity and it's extremely short incubation time.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Could be alright. There's an awful lot of bollocks in the media out there. "Omicron is as infectious as measles!!" being one. Another is "viruses mutate to being less deadly!!". They don't.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Was over at my sister's yesterday for the bones of 8 hours, she has just got a positive antigen test...so let's she how contagious this sh!t is have an antigen test going now and will do another tomorrow morning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Ah there is history of some viruses that do mutate to become less lethal/more contagious, but it's certainly not the rule of viruses progression



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    Australia reported 21,330 cases,11k the previous day. Hospitalisation rate is up and continuing to increase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,225 ✭✭✭amandstu


    There are ongoing Christmas lectures on the BBC (4 and 2) just now.

    (an audience of children and a cast of scientific speakers)


    They also mentioned the transmissibity of measles as being around 15.


    Very informative,recommended and now recorded.

    Aimed at the willing to learn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,262 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    What does 'intrinsically more transmissible' even mean?

    Omicron is here 2 years after a novel virus emerged. The fact that it bypasses immunity from vaccines or prior infection means it is much more transmissible than any variant after the first wave.

    If it wasn't for the reduced severity due to vaccination/prior exposure then the virus would likely be every bit as deadly as the first wave

    Omicron is an argument for more vaccines and fewer lockdowns

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,203 ✭✭✭Damien360


    It’s very transmissible. My nephew went to a Xmas dinner in his girlfriends. Came home next day unwell thought it was a hangover. His parents had been doing antigen tests every day previous to this getting negative including Xmas day (deal with public so being careful). Today, they now all have positive antigen tests. No sickness for them at all thankfully. So 26th meet him for first time in a few days, today the 30th, all positive for covid.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Name one CP. Seriously, it's not even close to being a thing among viruses. Smallpox was with us for over two thousand years. Didn't get any less lethal. Same for polio. Rabies, pretty much 100% fatal and with us for three thousand years. Measles didn't get any less nasty, if anything one could argue it got slightly worse. HIV has been with us for over forty years and doesn't show any sign of getting less dangerous. Ebola looks to have gotten worse and it was no sniffle to start with. Even the "average" seasonal flu still kills roughly the same percentage of people every year and if it does mutate away from the average it's more likely to be towards lethality. The second wave variant of the 1918 flu was much worse than the first.

    Another problem is looking to past pre vaccines and modern medicine pandemics. The viruses appeared to get less deadly over time. They don't. What happens is they burn through the population with no immunity and you're left with the recovered who have some immunity and the dead who are, well, dead. It runs out of hosts. The virus stayed the same. If it found another population with no immunity it would burn through them in just the same way.

    All a virus "cares about" is reproduction. That's it. Lethality is a coin toss. This is even more so the case with a virus that exhibits asymptomatic spread before people get obviously unwell. It's already jumped to a new host so doesn't "care" about the previous. There's little selection pressure for it to not kill the sick host. If anything the selection pressure is to keep reproducing in that sick host trying to avoid the immune system. Those poor buggers who have died in hospital with this pox were in most cases weeks past when they infected others.

    Yet for some reason, wishful thinking I suppose, it's become quite the mantra among people and sections of the media, even doctors(almost certainly not epidemiologists) coming out with this about covid when a microphone is in their face. We got very lucky with Omicron. On top of vaccines and better therapies for the sick of course. It could have become more infectious and more deadly.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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