Spider-Man: No Way Home *spoilers from post 185*

As a long term marvel fan since the late 80s/early 90s

Green Goblin is a big name undoubtedly but nowhere near Hulk , X-men, Fantastic Four not even in the same stratosphere

in the early 90's pre comic book movies outside of the early batman ones , the biggest names were X-Men Spiderman and Fantastic Four and Hulk and by proxy the biggest names from those properties (villain wise) was Magneto , Doctor Doom , Galactus and the Silver Surfer and Venom , Goblin was the next rung down , yes in the comics he was revered for killing Gwen Stacey but he didn't pass over into the main stream fully until the Raimi Movies

But this was just a homage to the evil dead. It was not exactly original in itself.

Not a comic reader but certainly a Saturday morning cartoon watcher in the 90s so Spider-man, X-Men and Batman were my exposures to those characters, also a bit of the Bixby/Ferringo Hulk show.

This was a real mixed bag for me.

I was expecting Nostalgia Bait the movie and to a large extent it was. However some of that actually landed for me. Once Tobey and Andrew showed up I enjoyed most of what followed - even if the final battle was at times an indecipherable, CG mess. The scene where Andrew saved MJ was brilliant, one of the few scenes in the MCU where they allowed you to feel the emotion and not undercut it with some lame quip. He was honestly the best thing about this - the glimpses into a Spiderman destroyed from grief, the support from the others and the possibility of a happier future for him. I felt like it gave the character some closure at least.

But getting there was a whole other kettle of fish and there were so many plot holes/contrivances and moments where disbelief had to be completely suspended.

In the last movie Peter is directly responsible for giving Mysterio so much power which made his actions here all the more unbelievable/idiotic/annoying/stupid.

The spell and it's execution was so frustrating. How Strange doesn't explain the parameters of the spell, how Peter keeps interrupting him despite Strange saying not to - how the entire movie hinges on this utter stupidity really frustrated me. I think Dr Strange and Peter are stupid beyond their characters in this movie just to make the plot happen.

I cannot believe that Peter decides to let 5 supervillains/serial killers out of their cages in some random effort to 'save' them. Despite the warnings from Dr.Strange where he stresses how quickly they need to be sent back because they don't know anything about the multiverse and the danger they could be in. For Aunt May to be pushing Peter toward this effort to save them was really stupid to me too. So they bring 5 these supervillains to a huge apartment building - away from their cages towards the population. These supervillains they have known for minutes in some cases. They even leave one of them outside in a lorry when he could easily escape and go on a rampage while the others are upstairs. For them to do this just snapped my immersion in two then and there. This random villain rehabilitation programme with absolutely no failsafes if something went wrong which was incredibly fcuking likely. Honestly it had me feeling like Aunt May deserved to die and Peter deserved to lose her as a lesson for this absolutely ridiculous/dangerous thing they did.

I don't understand the place of Uncle Ben in this universe as Peter almost acted as if he didn't exist - when in Civil War he hinted at his death in his own power/responsibility speech to Tony. Honestly we have seen this power/responsibility thing play out in 3 movies now and him say it without saying it - and Peter acted like May had said the most profound thing ever when he has been saying it for ages himself.

The implications of the villains being saved and not dying in their own universes require an almost infinite number of alternate timelines. Goblin being saved alone would make Tobeys trilogy end with the first movie.

Overall I enjoyed most of what happened after Andrew and Tobey appeared but the terrible writing to get there really dragged this down for me.

Loved it, absolutely loved it! They should have made Toby number 1, Andrew 2 and Tom 3 (could have made reference to their ages but would have been a nice touch). The chemistry between the 3 was just class and the villains nailed it as well. I thought having GG as the big bad was a great touch purely for Willem's performance. So many great lines and scenes. "I'm something of a scientist myself" line had me "BAH!" out loud. I'm not one for reactions but the silence in the cinema other than me made me feel real old.

Yeah, lots questions and questionable actions but I haven't moved a Spidey film since Spiderman 2 in 2004.

Also, perfect ending for me. Before going to see it, i was hoping for a a clean slate with no MCU characters. Wow, can't get more clean slate than that! And that new suit *chefs kiss*. Now i really want to watch it again but also go back to the first 2 Toby films.....maaaaybe the amazing Spider-Man 1.

Enjoyed it, but I think they should have brought back MJ (1) & Gwen in some way.

Also, anyone know if they did the spidermen pointing meme?

Been a few days since I've seen it, but I came out thinking that was just a couple of hours of pure fun and joy. The nostalgia, the meme, the interactions between the 3 in general being the stand out moments. Personally, I'm not a fan of the bad guy turning good, but I think they did it well in this. I can't remember it all, but I know repeat viewings will show more.

But it does reinforce my attempt to not watch/read anything to do with films I'm interested in. How mind blowing would it have been to get the Spidey reveals without basically everyone knowing it beforehand. I don't think there was a single (notable) character in it I wasn't previously aware of and I had limited my access to information greatly. Just a lot couldn't be avoided. Hate this modern trend of having to know everything before the film is out.

Oh, and thank to the trailers, I don't need to go see Uncharted. They showed the whole film, massive end battle scene and all. Just missing some story bits. Wasn't mad interested in it to begin with anyway. Thankfully, the after credit scene didn't appear to ruin too much.

I like Garfield more in this than I did in either of his solo films where I thought his Spider-Man/Parker was a bit of a dick tbh.

I thought Garfield and Stone were the highlight of two not greatly conceived films.

I'd still maintain that his final scene in TASM2 just encapsulates Spiderman perfectly. Just a shame he didn't have the creative behind him to bring it home.

After watching Garfield in this I have been tempted to go back to his films - has anyone done it? The second in particular was an awful mess.

Havent watched either of them (or Spider-Man 3) since seeing them in the cinema

The scene in the first one where he apprehends the car thief springs to mind, I know Spider-Man is meant to be quippy but he was just being plain mean imo and taunting the thief way beyond what was necessary. It felt especially sour after Uncle Ben had already given him the speech after the Flash incident. I'm not going to comment on ASM2 but even at the end of ASM when he decides to break his promise to Gwen's dad so easily but maybe that's addressed in the messing Gwen around you referred to. Anyway it's just a personal opinion, as I said I enjoyed him in NWH.