Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Omg wtaf, this is the worst thing I have read during this pandemic. Being sent home to die with possibly no support services.

Absolutely no dignity at end of life in this country. Not enough hospices. If they decide to stay in hospital to die, their family probably can’t visit due to covid.

If hospitals need to clear terminally I’ll patients from hospitals, they should be able to use private hospitals to give people some dignity and peace.

We accept too much crap in this country without causing a fuss.

You do realise this is because of the pressure on the health system from COVID patients (where its disproportionately the unvaccinated)? Are you calling for more restrictions to reduce COVID hospital numbers? Some on this thread living in bizarro world.

What is your solution to solve this without restrictions? *grabs popcorn*

(and just to get ahead of nonsense, let it rip makes it worse, using surge and private capacity makes it worse, adding capacity can't be done unless we have an untapped supply of doctors and nurses)

See this is it exactly, if I was positive there's no chance in hell I'd be with my vulnerable relatives on Christmas day! Buy if they have caught it the risk is surely far lower

Genuinely curious as I don't know but do we have a breakdown of the unvaccinated?

How many are pregnant women who might not want to get the vaccine until they give birth?

How many are in ICU before they were offered a vaccine?

How many are old or sick who are advised against a vaccine by doctors?

I seriously doubt healthy unvaccinated people are taking up so many hospital beds so I assume we know the breakdown of the unvaccinated?

There's never going to be a zero Covid day. It will be around in variant form for the rest of our lives. Health officials like Holohan will be pushing for restrictions every winter until he retires. Governments will introduce annual restrictions to pretend they are doing something about the health service. Celebrity Scientists will on our airwaves warning us about the xyz variant. Big Pharma will be telling us we need xyz booster. People who wear masks on their social media profiles will have lifetime Covid Derangement.

The unvaccinated in hospital are both younger in age and have less underlying conditions than the vaccinated, this has been highlighted multiple times and is another version of "the unvaccinated in hospital can't be vaccinated".

The reality is that there is very very few people who can't be vaccinated, they are not the cause of the high numbers of unvaccinated in hospital, if they were, you have a conspiracy on your hands as it means all the data and information coming from the health professionals running the services (not just in Ireland) is actually a lie. I don't believe there is a conspiracy there, it would be too easily found out and impossible to coordinate, but you give it your best shot!

Back up the claim that COVID is putting pressure on health capacity? Are you living under a rock? It is literally the reason we still have restrictions in place. The unvaccinated taking up 50% of the COVID cases is a huge part of why elective procedures, scans and palliative care services are being reduced at the moment, it's on the news and airwaves day after day, and you're right that healthcare workers isolating is putting additional pressure on the system because you know what is really bad for someone to get when in palliative care? COVID.

Again, people are living in bizarro world, "how can this thing they said would happen, be happening?".

The CSO released this summary 10 days ago, you can dig into it further by the sidebars and showing the various tables:

COVID-19 Insight Bulletins: ICU and Hospital Admissions Series 1 - CSO - Central Statistics Office

Tables 2.2 and 2.3 allow you to compare the median ages of those admitted to ICU (and it skews much younger for unvaccinated, 8% in the vaccinated group vs. 32% in unvaccinated, 4 times as likely).

It's also broken out month by month and with/without underlying conditions depending on what data you're looking for.

Median age for vaccinated was 63, 52 for unvaccinated. No underlying conditions was 8% for vaccinated, 21% for unvaccinated (November figures).

I don`t know about all of them, but the Netherlands has less vaccine uptake that Ireland and they recently introduced strict measures in efforts to prevent that happening. Many others are attempting to get people to avail of the booster shot for the same reason, and from U.K. figures where 87% of those presently hospitalised have not had the booster, then vaccines look to be the obvious means of ensuring health services are not absolutely crippled.

I mean it’s going to prove difficult to get any higher uptake than the 94ish% uptake that we have. It’s a brilliant figure to have reached. What’s the way out of this issue with hospitals.

Very easy and free. Since the nasal swab pcr isn’t authorised anymore it’s literally a saliva test. There are that I know of 6 testing centres nearby. Plus all pharmacies are free as well. You only pay for a travel test