Spider-Man: No Way Home spoilers from post 185

SimonTemplar · 18-12-2021 8:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118343884#Comment_118343884

I was listening to the Empire podcast and they are speculating that Sony might want to make a third Garfield Spiderman movie given how well received his appearance was in this movie. I hope so to be honest. He was a great Spiderman who was unfortunately let down by the scripts. He deserves a second chance.

flazio · 18-12-2021 9:31pm

Regardless of whether it's with Holland or Garfield, I'd really like to see a good Felicia Hardy/Black Cat story. I imagine the reason Sony/Marvel are reluctant to use her is audience reaction to what may be perceived to be a Cat Woman rip-off. Never the less I thought she had a good story in the Spider-man videogame DLC and would love to get a proper live action Black Cat.

Now back to this movie, if there's one small complaint I have, and I can understand why as there was a lot to cram in, is that J Jonah was underused in this. Also it seems from audience reactions the "I'm a bit of a scientist myself" line from Osborn was a big funny easter egg. I don't get it. Could somebody explain please?

johnny_ultimate · 18-12-2021 9:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118344311#Comment_118344311

The Osborn line is a line he says when he meets Peter early in Spider-Man 1.

SimonTemplar · 18-12-2021 9:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118344334#Comment_118344334

And it has since turned into a meme.

Need a Username · 18-12-2021 11:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118343041#Comment_118343041

The action scenes were fantastic - no idea what you mean by “pedestrian” - light years ahead of the Raimi trilogy (which was great at the time - not putting it down)

SimonTemplar · 19-12-2021 12:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118344914#Comment_118344914

I was specifically thinking of the camera work during the action scenes in Spider-Man 2 compared to this film, especially the excellent train fight in Raimi's movie. I'm not saying the action scenes in No Way Home were bad necessarily, but I felt they were lacking some more visual flair and innovation rather than the standard swinging, catching and explosions. The fight with Strange is an exception but even that style was influenced by Scott Derrickson's direction from his movie. The character work in the final battle was the main positive of that sequence rather than the action direction. This is just what I felt watching it. Of course other people will think differently.

johnny_ultimate · 19-12-2021 12:48am

The action scenes are the same as any other Marvel film - blandly lit, overbusy, weightless. They could’ve been directed by anyone - in fact, they probably were largely made by a second unit or effects team as is Marvel norm.

In contrast, this scene from the Raimi films remains probably the single greatest action scene in any major superhero film: somehow bloodless but just incredibly brutal. The camera choices are chosen to emphasise the action, to underline the violence. Like the camera on the ground, lingering as a character literally scrapes the floor in desperation to hold on? The sudden, frantic crash zooms? Brilliant and nasty.

https://youtu.be/Cz-17z44F6g

There’s nothing of the sort in No Way Home - just more anonymous CG melees. The apartment fight is fine, but again not a patch on the best scenes from the Raimi films. The finale is just an indistinct mess of flailing bodies.

I actually think this is one of the better MCU films just for novelty alone, just to stress. But none of these films so far have action scenes that feel as impactful as what Raimi managed two decades ago. The bland action is more noteworthy than ever here as we’ve seen several of these exact characters in excellent, vibrant action scenes before :)

Need a Username · 19-12-2021 6:58am

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I thought you VFX and stunt work. I cannot remember the Raimi movies well enough to either agree or disagree with camera work.

I do have a criticism of the big action showdown myself and it is the same one I have for most superhero movies including Raimi’s trilogy, DC and other MCUs - and that is that it is set at nighttime.

enough with that already - it only works and looks good in a Batman movie. I just didn’t mention it before because at least this time it was wasn’t follow the action and who was who - except for Peter 2 and 3 but that was really because I couldn’t have told the suits sort even if it had been a daytime fight.

santana75 · 19-12-2021 11:12am

Saw it last night and overall its decent enough. Its being compared to Into the spiderverse and I understand why but its not nearly as good as that film. It has its moments though and it's well worth a trip to the cinema. Best thing about it though are the three spiderman, Andrew Grafield In particular. I never really gave his time as spiderman much of any attention, he kind of slipped by really without notice, but here he's really good. Anytime he wasn't on screen you wished he was.

All in all its a decent movie though.

cena · 19-12-2021 12:01pm

I was happy to see the two other spidermen back

The White Wolf · 19-12-2021 12:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118344052#Comment_118344052

They could save themselves a lot of bother and just make Garfield the Spider-Man of their Sony verse and let Feige do his thing with MCU Spidey.

That way Sony have a Spider-Man who will suit the "edgyness" of their approach with the solo villain films and also a suitable Peter Parker who can serve as a mentor when they make that decision to introduce Morales.

GSPfan · 19-12-2021 3:12pm

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100% agree. If Garfield wanted to do it then Sony should sign him up to do at least 1 more Spiderman movie and possibly use that as an introduction to Miles Morales. Then you do a trilogy of Miles movies with all the villains.

They should give Tom Holland to Disney but only allow him to do non-Spiderman solo movies.

rtron · 19-12-2021 5:52pm

The one thing that put me off liking this movie was the same thing in avengers 2.

In age of Ultron, the avengers were responsible for creating Ultron. And was they're own mess that had to be cleaned up.

Strange and Spiderman created the multiverse bad guy mess that had to be cleaned up. It was a let down in the story for me.

Need a Username · 19-12-2021 6:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118346088#Comment_118346088

Where is the “bother”?

Sony and Disney are getting along very in regards SpiderMan - Sony even made a deal for their movies and TV shows on Disney+.

I believe Amy Pascal said that she wants Holland to be Peter Parker in both the MCU and the Sony SpiderVerse.

I would love to see both Garfield and MaGuire do more Spidey. It is pity that Venom wasn’t set in world with SpiderMan - BTW, if Venom had never joined with a SpiderMan then how come he still looks like he has.

Need a Username · 19-12-2021 6:55pm

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They didn’t create the multiverse.

it already exists - Strange even says early on (before the spell I think and before Wong leaves) that the multiverse is some about which “we know frighteningly little” and Peter gets excited to learn that despite Mysterio have lied about his background that the multiverse is real.

Need a Username · 19-12-2021 7:57pm

I wish they had not killed May.

it was a superb scene and heartbreaking but I was sure Strange would pull something to bring her back.

Agent Coulson · 19-12-2021 11:00pm

$600m worldwide opening weekend becoming the 3rd biggest opening weekend ever.

Safe to say it's a hit and will probably reach the billion mark before it finishes it's run unless there is a total lockdown worldwide.

Need a Username · 19-12-2021 11:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349143#Comment_118349143

I generally don’t pay attention to box office as it isn’t my money ;) but the billion dollar earners do catch the attention.

what are the two movies that had higher opening weekends ?

also is the movie getting into China?

rtron · 19-12-2021 11:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118347777#Comment_118347777

What I meant was they created the mess (the problem).

McFly85 · 19-12-2021 11:24pm

Saw it this evening and loved it, especially once the 2 other Spideys arrived. Pure fan service but I couldn’t stop smiling seeing them all together! They had great chemistry between them all but agree with others that Garfield was a highlight.

It was great to see the villains too, with Dafoes Goblin more menacing then ever.

And JKs JJJ! Stirring the pot far more successfully than ever.

Might give it a while but definitely look forward to seeing it again!

Need a Username · 20-12-2021 12:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349213#Comment_118349213

Okay, I see where I made my mistake.

I don’t understand why that is a “let down” - heroes can make mistakes too and the occasional threat accidentally caused by the hero is a nice change from the threat just being caused by a bad guy.

The Golden Miller · 20-12-2021 1:48am

Many might not agree, but I felt this film and concept was a very convoluted way of bringing the Green Goblin/Norman Osborn back into the fold, and gauging popular reaction as to whether to go down the route of giving this Spidey his own world Goblin.

Always said half the reason Marvel wanted Spidermans properties back was for Osborn, he's Marvel's Joker. This film was always going to be popular, but when the Green Goblin was announced, anticipation went through the roof. Like Joker for DC, Green Goblin gets people in the doors

B.A._Baracus · 20-12-2021 6:27am

Got this movie spoiled for me before I can see it.

First was playing a game on xbox live and someone said in the chat one particular thing that happens. Just someone being bad randomly spoiling it for others.

The next was opening YouTube and smack right there was a video and its thumbnail said it all. Right in my YouTube feed.

Knew I would get it spoiled as time goes by but it's not even out a week.

Need a Username · 20-12-2021 6:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349791#Comment_118349791

I think maybe you are not aware of the appeal of Spiderman himself.

the character and imagery are insanely popular - just look at the merchandising.

Marvel wanted to use SpiderMan for Spider-Man first, then the villains.

Spiderman has been in the MCU for years with no mention of Norman, Oscorp, or Goblin and they could have used him from the start. not only did they not use him, they’ve established that he doesn’t exist “here”.

they could have introduced Doc Ock, Lizard, etc. with a host of new actors at any time - no-one would have been screaming her heresy.

I think this film was a “convoluted way” to tell this story with these particular actors.

and what exactly is convoluted about the story? None of it is difficult to understand.

pixelburp · 20-12-2021 6:47am

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Just in case it wasn't clear why Sony wouldn't countenance parting with that license; that's an insane chunk of cheddar. But Spiderman is up there with batman as the iconic Marvel character, it's no great surprise either.

santana75 · 20-12-2021 1:23pm

$253 million domestic opening weekend............thats insane.

circadian · 20-12-2021 1:47pm

Really enjoyed it, loads of fan service for sure but a few easter eggs hidden in there too. When Strange was trying to stop the collapse of the multiverse you could see silhouettes coming through and I'm pretty sure Scorpion and Rhino were there.

As for the Venom snippet, does that mean there's a symbiote left in this universe? Are they going to do an MCU Venom? Maybe, especially with Daredevil showing up and Kingpin in use as well. I'd be worried that the MCU would do a worse job of something like Venom, it has to be violent and dark and I'm struggling to see how Marvel Studios would push that far. When Logan came out it was much closer to what you'd expect a Wolverine film to be like instead of the PG-12 stuff.

Another point is, since Venom has all the knowledge of the hive mind across multiple universes, does this open a story arc of Venom chasing down the Stones back in their own universe?

Foxtrol · 20-12-2021 8:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349990#Comment_118349990

Yeah, it is similarly why I don't see Sony cutting off their nose to spite their face by trying to grab Spider-man back from the working relationship they have with Marvel. Sony are making an absolute fortune from the arrangement, even before taking into account the other movies they're able to push.

Absolutely loved the movie and the reset it has given the character. I enjoyed seeing the kid dealing with Stark tech and aliens but it wasn't sustainable given the direction of the movies are taking and bringing him back to the neighbourhood without the Avengers is a great move and sets up a whole variety of potential directions for him to go and fun characters to interact with.

I saw a few earlier posts questioning the action scenes - I don't know enough about technical directing or camerawork but I found the final fight with the Green Goblin on the shield incredibly raw and more impactful than the previous Sony Spider-man efforts.

Foxtrol · 20-12-2021 8:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118351193#Comment_118351193

Explains why there hasn't been much from the 'Marvel Fatigue' believers since the release...

The White Wolf · 20-12-2021 8:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349988#Comment_118349988

An interesting comment I picked up on was from Norman when he said he woke up in a weird new world where his Oscorp didn't exist, even though I'm sure Oscorp was shown in one of these films.

Anyway I don't think they're going to go back to Norman anytime soon, I think the symbiote, Kingpin and more street level villains are going to be the focus of Holland's remaining films. Maybe even Ned as Hobgoblin will be the goblin of the arc.

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Spider-Man: No Way Home spoilers from post 185