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So who has covid? Nov 2021

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 Potis 2020


    I have just received a negative PCR result. I have received both vaccinations and actually had COVID already in February.

    I had a scratchy throat about a week ago and some congestion in my head/nose. This progressed last Wednesday to feeling breathless, which has continued since, though it doesn't seem as bad today as it has been the past few days. Feeling pretty fatigued also and the congestion in my head/nose is still there.

    I have had intermittent bouts of feeling breathless since I had COVID in February so i'm not sure if it's just a lasting 'side-effect' of having the illness previously. Figured I was safer getting tested before I travel home to see family for Christmas at the weekend.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,288 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    One of the most risky underlying conditions for covid is obesity and a quarter of Irish men and women are obese(BMI over 30), with over half being overweight, particularly in the over 40's. It's an underlying condition that tends to be somewhat ignored. When reports of tragic cases of younger people with "no underlying conditions" dying from this pox show up in the media remarkably few if any are normal weight and certainly not underweight. Then again what we can think of as normal has definitely shifted towards the heavier over the last few decades.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,247 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    do we have any actual hard data to support this, from respected sources?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    Had it myself recently. Am fully vaccinated. Just got a mild dose. Very mild.

    Son (aged 8) was first to get it. He woke up one morning with a temperature and cough, after we'd already been notified of a case in his class in school. We got a PCR for him the following day and were notified of a positive result the day after that, but his temperature had already gone by the first evening and the cough was gone too by the time we got the actual result. Of course he had to stay out of school and in isolation for the ten days anyway (insofar as you can isolate an 8-year-old!), but there wasn't a bother on him the rest of the time.

    Four days into his ten, I had a positive antigen myself. No symptoms at that stage. Had a PCR the following day. Developed some very mild symptoms later that day - stuffy nose and a bit of a cough, but nothing worse than a very mild "ordinary" head cold. Got my positive result the following day but my symptoms never got any worse and were gone by the next day. I still saw out the full ten days of isolation, of course. At least I had the young lad for company for the first few of them!

    My wife didn't get it at all.

    An attitude of "it's mild, so I don't care" is still wrong....but also wrong to suggest that people are always wrong in thinking it can be only a mild dose when vaccinated. Might not be the case with everybody, but was certainly the case with me, and with several other people I know too.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,288 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Plenty Wanderer.

    Here's one. "

    About 78% of people who have been hospitalized, needed a ventilator or died from Covid-19 have been overweight or obese" That's a US CDC report.

    Here's another:

    Being obese doubles the risk of hospital treatment from Covid-19 and increases the risk of dying by nearly 50%, a global analysis suggests. Oh and the same reoprt notes this on top: They also warn a vaccine against coronavirus could be less effective in obese people. This is based on the fact that flu vaccines don't work as well in those with a body mass index (BMI) of over 30. Now that's from last year, but I'll look for more recent links.

    NY Times article:

    Though these patients often have health conditions like diabetes that compound their risk, scientists have become increasingly convinced that their vulnerability has something to do with obesity itself.

    One from the UK from last year:

    The current evidence does not suggest that having excess weight increases people’s chances of contracting COVID-19. However, the data does show that obese people are significantly more likely to become seriously ill and be admitted to intensive care with COVID-19 compared to those with a healthy BMI.

    One study found that for people with a BMI of 35 to 40, risk of death from COVID-19 increases by 40% and with a BMI over 40 by 90%, compared to those not living with obesity.

    One from the WHO:

    Obesity can significantly increase the chances of severe outcomes for patients with coronavirus disease (COVID-19)

    British Medical Journal.(with lots of in article links to studies):

    Studies in the United States have shown that having a BMI over 30—the threshold that defines obesity—increases the risk of being admitted to hospital with covid-19 by 113%, of being admitted to intensive care by 74%, and of dying by 48%. Public Health England reported similar numbers for mortality, with the risk of death from covid-19 increasing by 90% in people with a BMI over 40.1 This is irrespective of age, as being overweight or obese is associated with worse outcomes in younger populations as well. People under 60 years old with a BMI between 30 and 34 are twice as likely to be admitted to intensive care with covid-19 than those with a lower BMI.2 A report from the World Obesity Federation published on 4 March 2021 showed further trends, emphasising that death rates from covid-19 have been ten times higher in countries where more than half of the population is obese


    Basically being overweight and especially being obese is a high risk factor for more severe illness, hospitalisation and death.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,247 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    thank you, so we really do have serious issues in regards the psychological causes of obesity, and are dreadfully unprepared for it



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,288 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Perceptions too. When Micheal Martin got his booster jab last week(?) I noticed the guy giving him the injection was overweight, as was the woman sitting taking notes, both in their twenties I'd guess. I'd be willing to bet a fair number of people would say no way are they overweight.

    That report above that noted death rates from this pox are ten times higher in countries where half the population are overweight is a sobering statistic. The possibility that the vaccines may not work as well in the overweight and obese is a concern too. And if someone is obese now and knows that covid is a bigger risk to them it's not as if they can lose all that weight in short order.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just a comment on the US Data. 69% of the US population are overweight or obese. So if 78% of the serious cases are overweight or obese. That only represents a 30% increase in risk



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,288 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yep the US data is well US data, the land where obesity is a national sport. Though Ireland isn't that much better when over half are overweight or obese. However if you read studies from elsewhere and where they've adjusted for age, obesity rates in the population etc being overweight or obese is a strong risk factor for serious illness and death from covid 19. The BMJ article expands on this and adds links to the different studies. UK stats show: This is irrespective of age, as being overweight or obese is associated with worse outcomes in younger populations as well. People under 60 years old with a BMI between 30 and 34 are twice as likely to be admitted to intensive care with covid-19 than those with a lower BMI. So of two 40 year old guys infected with covid, one fat, one skinny, the fat guy has double the risk of ending up in ICU. That's more than a little significant.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,247 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    the causes of obesity are very complex, but there is a deep root in individuals being unable to meet their emotional and psychological needs, our perceptions of 'normal weight', have also changed



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭newboard


    A question for you please.

    Got a positive result yesterday after a test on Thursday.

    Very mild symptoms that started on Tuesday - just felt a little off, mildly irritated throat. Got a negative antigen but went for PCR just in case.

    My chest felt a little tight yesterday so I went to bed thinking I'll be noticeably better or worse today. My chest feels fine today thankfully, very slight headache and my stomach isn't 100% but if I didn't have the positive result I'd be up and about as normal. No cough or anything.

    My question is, can I be confident that my symptoms have already peaked or is there a chance things will do a 180?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Naked Lepper


    did it take 2 days for them to return ur PCR result?

    i had a PCR today. i did not feel great on thurs so did antigen (negative) and another on friday (negative) and then another two on sat (both positive) so i went for the PCR today

    i am hoping that the antigen tests were incorrect but it is probably not the case. currently isolating and waiting for PCR result. gutted - worst timing. if i am positive then this variant must be extremely contagious since i have barely left the house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭newboard




  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Double vaxxed here. Positive antigen test today. Have had symptoms for a few days.. muscular and joint aches, slight cough, very tired, bit og a headache, light sensitive, stomach not the best. No temp... more like the chills. That sounds worse than it feels really -- it's like a lot of minor, niggly symptoms. The tiredness is debilitating, but it's nothing like a serious flu or pneumonia or anything (for anyone that has had either). Booked a PCR for tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Naked Lepper


    thanks for info

    test centre was totally empty today

    either the virus is taking a break for the run up to xmas or people dont want their xmas's ruined.. they told me 24 hours max for result



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,890 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    Took 23hrs for my result, like you 2 negatives followed by a positive and a positive PCR



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Naked Lepper




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    I’m 5 days in.

    Had the same as you, taste has gone now.

    And zero appetite.

    Throat sore, slight inconvenience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭Capra


    Just out of interest, how many of you lads have done any treatment at home after testing positive? Are you all supplementing with zinc or vitamin D?

    I have read quite a few studies that suggest there is very strong evidence that nasal irrigation /disinfecting reduces the viral load in the nose and throat before the virus spreads to the lungs. People just seem to test positive and wait to see if they get worse. There is a lot of evidence to suggest gargling/nasal hygiene works for other respiratory viruses also.


    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1550830720303128


    https://www.biospace.com/article/more-data-suggests-over-the-counter-nasal-spray-is-effective-against-covid-19-virus/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    I’ve taken vitamin d and multi vitamins for the last year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,890 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    My taste only went for about 24/36 hrs luckily, the smell going was bad, breathing in through my nose and getting nothing was odd like a void in my nose or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Naked Lepper


    my appetite and taste and smell is fine, awaiting pcr results tho but am on day 4 of symptoms

    maybe appetite and no fever could be a sign the pcr will be negative (have all other symptoms tho so am prob clutching straws)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    I never got a fever.

    Did you take an antigen test?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Naked Lepper


    yeah i have taken a few

    thurs negative

    fri negative

    sat positive (did two)

    sun one negative and one positive (negative one was a saliva one whereas positive one was nasal swab)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    I got multiple negatives before a positive.

    Can take a few days.

    Go to a drive through centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Naked Lepper


    thanks, yes i went to blanc hse test centre today for a PCR. waiting for results

    it wasnt a drive through one, massive warehouse all set up but there was barely anyone getting tested. was surprised at how quiet it was tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 372 ✭✭youandme13


    Myself and my partner both tested positive with antigen tests. Both children 9years old and a 10month old tested negative with antigen. All 4 of us came back positive with PCR tests. Only one of us asymptomatic was the 9 year old, the baby was very sick along with us. We're only out of isolation today. This is 2nd time myself and my oh had it, first was March 2020 and he's suffering with Long covid since then. His breathing had only started to get better and now back to square one. I'm still without my taste and smell for the last 12 days now! Btw we are both double vaccinated, early 30s so hadn't gotten booster yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭holliehobbie


    It’s pointless taking a vitD supplement without a magnesium supplement at the same time. It’s a bit like taking an iron supplement with vitC.

    That’s exactly the problem there. Omicron is much more infectious than Delta. When you say you’ve barely left the house what do you mean? Where you inside a shop, at work, a pub?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Naked Lepper


    the only times i left the house in the 5 days before i developed symptoms were to go to the supermarket to buy food etc

    i work from home , so does my partner (who is waiting on PCR test but has no symptoms and had negative antigen)



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