Fuel Price Protest Dublin 24th November

take it up with the manufacturers.

Consumers don't ever have choice only the illusion of choice. If the petrol engine car is the cheapest to produce then that is all that will be produced - where is the choice there?

Just level the playing field is a simplistic nonsense argument against regulation. Libertarian bollocks really. Allow hormone beef and let consumers choose you say - very soon the market gets flooded with hormone beef so there is no real world choice for anyone.

that is what the government are trying to do.

level the playing field so that people can move over to more efficiently powered vehicles.

changes are coming whether we want them or not and the old ways you want to keep are going as they are unviable.

That's like saying sure there is no point in living as you are going to die anyway!

2* will have a much bigger impact on the world, including Ireland than 1.5* would.

They are trying to limit it as its no longer possible to stop it, mostly because certain people refuse to acknowledge it and the real world changes that need to happen.

1.5°, 2°? Try 6°, which is about the increase to get to the normal annual average temperature for the planet. Of course the ice caps disappear completely, but that too is the norm. Life on earth thrives at that temperature and higher levels of CO2, that's why we have oil and coal deposits. Extinction is not on the cards.

Earth spanning forrests; so much abundant food you have mega fauna to eat it. Photosynthesis increases with temperature, and the optimum just happens to be around 23°C, so plants thrive if there is enough CO2, and that was clearly the case, and there used to be far more in the atmosphere than the current exceedingly low levels.

If the gulf stream stops, it gets colder, not hotter, which is what I think is about to happen. CO2 levels and temperature both rise suddenly just before a glaciation even kicks off. Funny, that.

So in summary, plantlife and mega fauna...sounds great. So from the planets point of view its awesome, how about us humans?

Oh and bonus question, how long before the earth spanning forests arrive and the mega-fauna evolve? What happens in the interim?

Where do all the people live and get their food & water from?

The major hauliers set the rates they pay the subcontractor and if they don’t like it then they just get someone else, the usual race to the bottom. Plenty of online sellers offer free delivery to the customer as they know they can get it delivered for peanuts.

This nonsense is planned again for this coming bMonday - 24hr blockade this time.

My daughter has a medical appointment on the city so I guess it's add hours to the journey.

Have to go to Newry in the morning before 10, what’s the chance of getting caught up in the protest? Going from south Dublin via m50

I did a search for "Trucker Protest" and found a link to this thread https://www.boards.ie/discussion/303616/truckers-protest-underway/p1 from 16 years ago!!!! And on the same issue. Diesel prices.

And it's not the only thread. Seems like these quys are never happy.

I still can't get my head around, how it's acceptable for an anonymous Facebook page and 50 odd people with trucks to block up areas of Dublin, with demands that they won't leave until their demands are met.

No spokesmen, no negotiation, just give us what we want or we'll come back again and again

Looking at RTE just now, who'd have thunk that Eamon Ryan was the truckers' friend? Says he will look into their grievances, and not a word of condemnation for what is a huge cost to thousands of ordinary people and businesses trying to make a living.

Our politicians are terrible cowards when faced with militant disruption. A few years ago there was a large reduction in the annual road tax paid by HGVs, largely negotiated by one Verona Murphy, now an independent TD.

insane? not a chance.

it was actually quite cheap given the infrastructure requirements to support them and the heavy maintenence that infrastructure requires.

If firms which have got contracts on race-to-the-bottom bids go bust, those firms that rely on them will have to pay more appropriate sums for haulage.

The trucks and drivers won't evaporate.

It's completely absurd to think that we might be without HGVs. There may be some who will suffer losses, but if everyone who suffered losses in the private sector were to blockade things, then the economy as a whole would collapse. In any event we will have to be weaned off our dependence on diesel fuelled HGVs in the longer term, and part of that will be done through higher fossil fuel prices.

State will pay the redundancy in case of insolvency

Do you think it's better that we keep race to the bottom slave drivers in business?

We all drove the race to the bottom for truck driver pay. When your customer keeps demanding cheaper prices and most of your costs are fixed you can only cut the non fixed costs, which is wages.

Do I think it is right that truck drivers have sh1t pay and conditions, no. But increasing the price of running a haulage company isn't going to improve their pay or conditions it's going to make them worse because now companies will start cutting other costs which could see drivers out on defective vehicles.

If the companies go bust 2 weeks statutory redundancy isn't going to help the drivers, they get paid feck all so their redundancy will be feck all.

So what's the country supposed to do for food and medicine while the haulage industry is rebuilt by people with no idea of how to run a haulage company?

You want the haulage industry to collapse and you think that everything will be OK. Did you miss what happened at the start of Covid? The UK had a fuel crisis on the rumour of issues with fuel supply, which took a hell of a long time to resolve for a country with supposedly plenty of fuel!

Can you imagine what will happen if there is a rumour of no HGVs. Shops don't hold stock and the supply chain is already broken. Our CO2 emissions would increase massively as the country descends into chaos.

There’s a reason these two protests didn’t have any support from the IRHA, and why there was less than 30 trucks involved in the latest one.

Hint - it’s because the industry isn’t on the verge of collapse. One of the companies I saw there is one that we have blacklisted due to safety concerns (obvs. won’t name them here) and I’d wager a guess that the reason they were free to spend all day parked up is that they’d have been parked up elsewhere with no work otherwise

These protests are from a very small group, and their actions on Monday had the biggest impact on hauliers who were actually working.