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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I'll leave you all with an article by Mick Clifford which I'm sure will sting to read. He sums it up nicely...

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40365950.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Wrong,

    They are dying a death because people don't live there anymore, they live out the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    Wrong.

    plenty of new housing estates around these villages, but the people living in them don't use the village.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It has everything to do with it, because a critical mass of people living in walking distance of the infrastructure and services is needed. Because people live out the road and have to drive, the critical mass isn't there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    And what's the plan to get everybody from 'out the road' and into the viable town and village, because the current plan that's been going on 15 years certainly ain't working blanch, a lot of that is down to the fact the infrastructure and services isn't there, or was there and was removed by recent governments, so what exactly is this 'viable' plan that you are talking about?

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Again, if that's so, stick a fork in rural Ireland.

    I'm not being glib here, in fact, I believe you're being glib - if people refuse to support their communities as you're suggesting there's nothing to be done. The decline of rural Ireland is a guarantee.

    There'll be plenty of noise about them lads up in Dublin killing off rural Ireland, and beating the drum for 5G on top of Croagh Patrick or in the middle of the bog as if that'll change anything, but the reality is, rural Ireland is killing rural Ireland if what you say is true.

    You paint a miserable picture where under the surface, even the people who say they care about their communities don't really. Everyone doing their best to live like JR Ewing from Dallas as everything outside their property line declines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    "the decline of rural Ireland is a guarantee"

    You sound like the FG secondary school geography teacher I had 30 years ago. He thought it was coming next week too.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    What do you want the government to do for you? Build Disneyland next to you for job opportunities? A government minister to descend from a helicopter with a predator drone for everyone in the townland so you get where you want to go quicker? An A&E for every crossroads? A post office for every three houses?

    One-off dwellers, the precise demographic that have baked in the decline of their communities can't even articulate what it means to save it.

    "More infrastructure!" they cry. "Just like they have in Dublin!" they say.

    I hate to break it to you, the way you've chosen to settle makes it impossible for the state to help you the way you say you want to be helped.

    It's time to grow up, cut the sh*t of demanding to live on a back road and expect all the niceties and comforts of 21st century life to be dropped at your door like an Amazon package. It's not going to happen. Start acting like a community and live within proximity to your community. Cultivate your local economy and support it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    You are not rural Ireland and nor do you speak for it.



  • Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Your view on rural Ireland:

    "You can live whatever way you want as long as it's how I say".

    Typical green , I know better than you, outlook. Chiding people for "chape sites".

    We also had another poster go on about rewilding rural Ireland by eating less or no meat. How does that work with an ever growing population due to open borders (our own birth rate is sustainable).

    I suppose we'll just ruin our farming sector so we can import produce from the Amazon basin. But hey we'll have more wilderness.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Not a Green.

    And here's a reality check: people can't live whatever way they like. Any development, be it urban, rural, or on the side of a cliff needs planning permission and the development must be balanced against the environmental, economic, and social impacts of the development on others.

    I can't lob up a rollercoaster in the middle of a suburban area without the assent of the local planning authorities, and every housing unit needs to go through the process.

    Fire up Google and bring up any of the latest iterations of county development plans. One-offs are discouraged, and developments in or in close proximity to rural communities (actual communities, not imaginary one-off "communities") are encouraged.

    The sun is setting on one-off housing, and it's how it should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    We export 90% of our beef and dairy, and most of the island is used to produce this stuff. So we could rewild parts of Ireland if we wanted, and eat meat 3 times a day, we would just be exporting less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,012 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Vegan urban peddle pusher advocates penury for farmers. There's a few other 'we coulds' I can think of...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Peddle pusher? What does that mean?

    The poster suggested we would starve if we had less cattle, this is not the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,012 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Cyclist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Why is the fact I use a bike sometimes relevant to anything? Pretty sure bikes are used all over Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    I think the de centralisation of all services out of Dublin, put the the departments and public servants to different towns and cities, knock the Dail and build a new building somewhere else, Athlone,Mullingar somewhere like that, The decentralisation will help everyone,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    He moans about cheap sites, be thinking a sibling got the site and Yurty got the road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    You do know that exports pay for a lot of services, population isn't big enough to sustain itself with domestic sales, the idea is we sell stuff abroad so we can buy other stuff from abroad, €14billion coming in for food exports last year,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Except most people wont want to be decentralised, and there are unions. Didn't they try this before?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,012 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Are there any threads on boards where rural people endlessly give out about how they think urban dwellers should live their lives? I can't think of any, but this constant bemoaning of rural housing by urban socialists is seemingly endless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    There are plenty of threads on infrastructure and planning yes. Our urban areas are poorly planned too, as well as the one off mess that was made of the countryside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,012 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    An example please, because I am not sure you comprehended the question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,012 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    No one is telling you how to live your life or is taking your bungalow from you. The reality is one offs are not good for society and we should be moving away from peppering the country with them.

    We should also build denser and higher in cities, I suppose that's telling people how to live their lives too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,012 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That's exactly what it is. You have the typical socialist greenie conceit of thinking that you are right; and secondly of thinking you have the right.

    People don't all have the same life experiences, luck, talents or financial wherewithal. Building higher is more expensive. Building an apartment, even at current heights, in Dublin is more expensive than building a house, by floor area. Going even higher would be even more expensive.

    This 'for the good of society' crock of shi t, is exactly that. It lead that >bleep< Green boof-head Gormley to foist diesels on the entire country. If the epidemiologists are right, your good of society killed people and is currently killing more.

    Now Ireland is a country where you can't accuse the populace of learning from past mistakes, so here we are with Ryan doing the same thing. Same mental inadequacies and bucket loads of green conceit.

    Back to your social engineering prescription. Given skyscraper housing is more expensive, that would make it less affordable to a lot of people. There is, however, a beneficial to your glorious 'society' solution: Smaller floor area to make the housing more affordable - Hong Kong style. I'll vote no to that.

    Thankfully 'society' isn't just you and the other socialists. The metropolitan population of Dublin is 1.8 million, which leaves 3.2 million who don't live there, and awkwardly for you, who are as entitled to be considered part of society with opinions about how and where they should live. If they want to live in single storey houses with a backyard for their kids to play in and that's pet friendly, that's what they will have, courtesy of the ballot box.

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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    50euro for half a tank of petrol today (175). Just wondering if people who think there is an "existential global climate crisis" are delighted about this?



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