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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Do you need an A&E department on your doorstep? And even if you wanted one, do you think it's the HSE's job to provide it even though they are responsible for the quality of care across the entire system.

    I'd recommend reading the HSE's plan for major and minor trauma centres. Everyone will be served, even peripheral areas (though it's likely a bellyache for you that it's not in your back garden).

    It's not a Lidl, excellent world class care costs sh*tloads of money you don't get to have one in every two bit town 15km apart because that's not reality.

    There are costs to living in peripheral areas away from communities. Once again, the 21st century doesn't come to you just because you want it and have written to your TD, this sh*t needs to be paid for and the HSE has to think of everyone, not just people living down a boreen and thought there would be no drawbacks to doing so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    Do these city folk who keep preaching about all these viable villages and towns around the country ever leave the city.

    Might I make a suggestion, take the N4 from Longford to Sligo or the N5 from Longford to Mayo and have a look at every village and town along the way, every one of them has a few new housing estates built in the last boom, yet the towns and villages dying because the local business cant competes with the big Tescos/Dunnes in major towns.

    This fantasy land of shoving all the country bumkins into villages and the will strive is pure nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭buried


    Do you want viable towns and villages or not Yurt? Because for all your talk of being "pro rural" you are about as "pro rural" as the Islamic State is "pro nightclubbing". You simply do not want to address the actual reasons why rural Ireland is being decimated, and why your disingenuous notions of "viable villages & towns" will never work unless these new centres are going to be afforded the same services the rest of this Republic recieves. You have no problem in white rhinos such as the new National Children's Hospital 'wasting sh*tloads' of our money, but then in the same breath, you then claim that towns and villages "wasting sh*tloads" of our money is an absolute criminal disaster. So, all I can deduce from that is that you have some sort of definite problem with rural Ireland, for whatever reason, because ultimately, your arguments make no sense.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Ring a ding ding!

    This is what I've been saying all thread. Local small businesses are unviable because one off denizens hop in their cars and hit the Tesco 15km down the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Nonsense. Someone was trying to make the case that an A&E trauma center is an essential service to live in a town.

    This is balderdash.

    Rural Ireland is dying because of dispersed settlement patterns and people sitting in their cars to drive to the nearest relatively large population centre.

    This the cold hard reality. You're killing what you say you love, and plug your ears when people try to clue you in to it.

    People advocating this pattern of settlement are driving a nail in the coffin of rural communities with every isolated McMansion they build and endorse. It's time to come home to reality.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    If you think every town and village is going to or should receive a world class trauma centre, and that's even possible, you're not living in one off splendor, you're living in main street Crazytown USA.

    Come into reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    So why do you want to put people into villages in the first place when they don't shop there, they will still travel to the bigger town anyway, in some cases travelling longer distances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭buried


    So what is your definition of "reality" for rural communities then? You are the one saying you are 'pro rural', so, what are they supposed to do or expect under the likes of your 'pro rural' regime?

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Le sigh. If a critical mass of people live in a village or within reasonable proximity to a village. The economic life of a village increases, post offices become sustainable, cafes become more frequented, SuperValu (for instance) have a business case to open a large store. Footfall.

    There is no footfall in a boreen.

    I'm trying to figure out if that was a serious question you just posed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭buried


    How are you going to get them to move there without the essential services.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Already covered in the thread (you said you've read it). Serviced sites in villages or immediately outside villages within walking distance. Plots sold at cost recovery basis for the provision of the infrastructure and build what you want. Is that a horrible vista to you?

    But, I suspect you're hostile to that. At the end of the day, a good many people who endorse one offs in the middle of nowhere just want the cheap sweetheart site and the costs discussed ad nauseam on this thread externalised to everyone else. I know that's the reality of the situation. So unfortunately, they need to be dragged kicking and screaming to it via the planning system.

    *Exceptions to this would be people who genuinely work in the rural / agricultural economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Do you think an A&E is an essential service for a village? Because you appear to be suggesting it is.

    Newsflash: There's no A&E in the field behind your house, but you still live there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭buried


    But I have asked you, repeatedly now, how are you going to get people to move into these centre's without the essential services and infrastructures that are needed for such a community to thrive? You seem to be hostile to give an answer.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    Not true, as I explained earlier plenty of new housing estates are built around town and villages yet businesses still close. and for towns and villages to expand to the level your on about you need major employment, and when you don't have that you have no business expanding these towns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    What's an essential service to you? I don't even know what you're driving at here.

    Essential services are significantly more expensive to provision for with one off housing metastising all over peripheral areas. You're deliberately plugging your ears to this cold hard economic fact.

    With people living in proximity to each other, communities have a chance. With your mode of willy nilly development, death of communities is garunteed.

    Again, you're killing the thing you say you love.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭buried


    I think it is definitely an essential service for a viable well infrastructural urban centre such as Roscommon town, but that was closed down. But don't mind me Yurt, YOU are the one that claims the desire for 'viable' infrastructural rural towns and villages to develop to stave off one off housing down bohreens, yes? So once again, how do you see that plan panning out as long as those essential services are nowhere within these viable towns and villages to even begin with? And seeing how you are so vehemently against any sort of infrastructure like that from even happening, what is your solution? Because you really do care so much like.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    If what you're saying is true (and I don't believe it for a second) stick a fork in rural Ireland because it's done.

    One off housing does more to kill rural communities than any other variable. It's been studied at length but the chape site brigade don't want to hear it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I just checked this. The nearest A&E is 40km away on an N road. That's not outrageous and the HSE have to consolidate services to ensure quality of care.

    Take it up with the HSE. They have to cut their cloth to measure and that happens to be a part of the country most blighted by dispersed development (complicating the provision of emergency services in a big way.)

    I'd have an A&E on every street corner, but I'm realistic enough to know that's not reality.

    People don't refuse to move to Roscommon town because the lack of an A&E department. That's a nonsense.

    If A&E proximity was such a priority to rural one off advocates, they wouldn't be living on a back road in the middle of nowhere. Yet there they are. The lure of a chape site is a powerful thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭buried


    Thanks for not even answering my question with some more digs about the rural community that you care so much about yet again Yurtie.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    No difference to the family living in Drumcondra, do you think they do their weekly shopping in Centra or Spar, not likely, they are off in their car to the Pavilion or Liffey Vally shopping centre every weekend to do their shopping.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    One-off dwellers and those that advocate for that model of willy nilly irresponsible development don't own rural ireland nor do they have a monopoly on what rural Ireland is. That's a conceit and I won't give it to you.

    The penny hasn't dropped that you're advocating tooth and nail for the number one variable that is actually contributing to the decline of rural communities. That you don't see it isn't on me, it's on you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I actually lived not too far from there once upon a time. There's a very nice Lidl and two Tescos either end of Drumcondra. Almost nobody in Drumcondra is going to Liffey Valley for the weekly shop. Patent nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭buried


    lol Nah man, you are so ultimately brainwashed into somehow believing that the lack of infrastructure for a sector of a small island is somehow no way responsible for its decline, and you being so egotistical to go with it, even advocating it should be done, then doing a complete 180 on your previous advocation, lol it is absolutely laughable.

    Lets see if the penny dropped on the likes of you if somebody removed the Bus service from Castleknock or Blanchardstown in the morning.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    So did I, as for the 2 Tescos they are only Micky Mouse stores and I don't seem to remember seeing too many coming out of them with the weekly shop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    How in God's name is the government to provide all the services you say you want to the level you say you want to dispersed houses scattered all over the countryside. It's childish and it can't be done.

    There is no community in a field. You're advocating for the further decline of rural Ireland - I, and others with their head screwed on want to give it a shot at survival.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Cmon now, everyone from the students in St. Patricks to the families old and new in Drumcondra shop between those three supermarkets. That Lidl is huge (and probably one of the best ones in Dublin actually).

    This thread is so silly. Someone with a straight face mounting a defense of rural one-off housing by claiming one of the best served inner suburbs of Dublin for supermarkets is getting on the M50 to Liffey Valley for the weekly shop. Ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭buried


    Once a f**king gain Yurt, YOU ARE THE ONE THAT WANTS EVERYONE IN RURAL IRELAND TO MOVE INTO TOWNS AND VILLAGES, YES?

    So, Once a f**king gain Yurt, my question is this - HOW ARE THEY EVEN GOING TO WANT TO DO THAT WHEN THEY HAVE NO ESSENTIAL HEALTH/SECURITY SERVICES IN THESE TOWNS/VILLAGS TO BEGIN WITH?

    But once again Yurt, you are not even going to answer. Because you have a problem with people in Rural Ireland. You want to blame one off housing for everything without even addressing the actuality of what is happening to create the trend for one off housing.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    You're swearing in caps😂

    I'm out. You've lost it

    I've made my point and made it well. G'night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭MBE220d


    The ones that have no cars shop there alright, the ones that do have cars and want to use in Tescos go up to Clearwater as I used to when I lived around that area, what idiot would go humping bag around when you have a car.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭buried


    You made your point pages ago, the point you have no f**king iota what you are even on about, so much that you can't even answer a simple question

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



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