What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Nowhere did I say it was.

I did say Ivanka running for VP would be a stretch as she is a Jewess.

How many Jews have won national election in the US? Off the top of my head I can't think of any.

Goldman in '64 who was of jewish descent and a practicing Episcopalian lost in a landslide and gained only 6 states.

Other than that? Sanders is the only Jew I can think of who has run, he won a primary or 2 and then?

There is IMO a still widespread undercurrent of anti-Semitism in the US that would see an issue develop for any Jewish candidate on a national ticket, even if they are a Trump.

I do, apologies for the misnomer I was working from memory and in probably a little bit of unconscious bias went with Goldman, as I remembered the "gold" and was 100% certain it wasn't Goldberg.

I guess there are no reprocussions when your side posts lies. Luckily you're not on the Right or you'd get a warning. Trump did not have COVID before the debate with Biden. Mark Meadows confirmed it.

Or is the Left exempt from responsibility for posting and spreading lies?

Haha you're right for once, there aren't any repercussions. Trump has been lying for a year about the election being stolen, continues to do so and he's gotten away with it. You talk about liars and then believe something Meadows said, the irony!

I do, and despite my using the word it isn't to frame anti-Semitism on my part. Rather it's the lens through which many in the US and in particular the rust belt and the Evangelical Christian areas that are ardent Trump support bases. This is how many there discuss Ivanka and frame her "apostasy".

The disconnect between supporting Israel and being Anti-Semitic is very marked. Many of the Evangelical bent see a strang Israel as a tool to keep Islam out of the Holy Land it's about supporting Christian hegemony rather than Jewish freedoms.

Blantently copy and pasted from reddit but it's extremely pertinent

THE 2020 ELECTION

• Trump’s assertions are not based on rigorous facts and a value for truth. Rather, they are based on feelings and his value of himself.
  • If something is perceived by Trump to be personally beneficial, he will infamously exclaim it is the greatest thing to ever happen in the world. Conversely, if something is felt by Trump to be personally threatening, then he will relentlessly attack it as fake, a fraud, or rigged, etc. He literally told an audience this is what he does:
    • “By the way, you have a poll coming out. I want to know what it is. You know they do that straw poll, right? Now, if it's bad, I just say it's fake. If it's good, I say that's the most accurate poll, perhaps ever" Trump, CPAC July 11, 2021.
• In 2012, after Trump gained popularity conducting a conspiracy theory across cable TV that President Obama was an Islamic terrorist born in Kenya with a fake U.S. birth certificate; and after publicly endorsing Mitt Romney for President, Trump shamelessly tweeted:
  • “The phoney electoral college made a laughing stock out of our nation. The loser one! We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided! Lets fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us. More votes equals a loss ... revolution! This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy! Our country is now in serious and unprecedented trouble ... like never before. The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.”
  • Note: In fact, Obama received 5 million more votes than Romney. Obama did not lose the popular vote. (However, Trump himself did - twice!)
• In 2016, Trump indeed lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton by nearly three million votes. Yet he won the Electoral College. But he used the platform of the Presidency to attack:
  • “In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally." Trump has repeatedly stated and implied that three to five million people voted illegally in the 2016 election.
• Before the 2016 general election, polls estimated Trump had about a 30% chance of beating Clinton. So he again, without any evidence, relentlessly exclaimed that “This election is absolutely being rigged…”
• When running for the Republican Party nominee in 2016, Trump rejected the results of the Iowa caucuses, asserting based on no evidence whatsoever: * “Ted Cruz didn't win Iowa, he stole it. That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!...Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa Caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified.”
• In 2017, Trump instigated after the fact the creation of a Voter Fraud investigation to discover evidence supporting his claims. Because he did not have any evidence supporting his claims when he made them. He merely felt election fraud was true. The opposite proposition, that he was unpopular, was threatening.
  • Eight months later this investigation was quietly shut down without remotely justifying Trump’s wild conspiracy theories of election fraud.
• In 2020, with the country fighting the Covid-19 epidemic, States began preparing for the election. There existed broad anticipation for large numbers of mail-in-votes, especially from urban areas badly affected by the virus. So Trump began attacking the USPS, attempting to defund it and cripple its operation while more broadly attacking the election process.
  • “Now [Democrats] need that money in order to have the Post Office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots… If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail in voting. It just can’t happen.” Trump, Fox Business Interview
  • Trump suddenly installed a loyalist donor with no credible experience as Postmaster General, Louis DeJoy.
    • DeJoy implemented sweeping changes to USPS operations, firing postal officials, reducing workers hours, and eliminating sorting machines, causing a widespread slowdown of the service. Meanwhile, Trump began falsely campaigning that votes not received and counted by election day were invalid.
  • Trump publicly called for his supporters to “go into the polls and watch very carefully.” This is one of many examples of his un-American voter intimidation tactics.
  • Trump both privately pressured Ukraine and China to announce a criminal investigation of - while publicly demanding the U.S. DOJ arrest - his opponent, Presidential nominee Joe Biden, based on propaganda sourced back to Rudy Giuliani and Russian disinformation. (It is not yet clear if he also privately asked the AG William Barr to do this.)
  • On election night, far before the votes were counted but just as had been leaked to be his intention weeks prior, Trump declared victory! Despite losing, Trump declared himself the winner of the election; he demanded that votes stop being counted where he was winning and that only Republican votes continue to be counted where he was losing. And he simultaneously celebrated the broad down ballot success of the Republican party while asserting that those very same ballots which equally broadly did not vote for him were fraudulent.

After election night:

• Without evidence, the morally bankrupt, impeached President stated the election was in fact rigged and undermined the trust of many American’s in their democracy.
• The director of the FBI (appointed by Trump) confirmed in a congressional hearing that the FBI had not found any evidence of a coordinated voter fraud effort.
  • A joint statement was released by The Department of Homeland Security - Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC), and Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council (SCC) declaring there is no evidence that the 2020 election was compromised by fraud.
    • Immediately after this, the director of CISA Chris Krebs was fired by Trump. Because the narrative mattered, not the facts. And this statement contradicted the delusional narrative Trump was working to create for the public.
  • Every State election official has declared the election a safe success and rejected the claims of existing conspiratorial fraud.
• Trump attempted to overthrow the election via the courts, believing ultimately his nominated SC Justices would show loyalty and overturn it. The cases were unanimously determined to be without merit and tossed out.
• Led by Rudy Giuliani on behalf of Trump, a series of embarrassing sham hearings were held to theatrically present the public with “formal” evidence of fraud, but which actually had no legal authority.
• He worked tirelessly to personally convince state electors to vote in the Electoral College as faithless electors against the election votes.
  • He sought to get Republican ally state legislatures to elect their own alternative Electoral College electors who would vote as faithless electors.
  • He was recorded on one of over a dozen phone calls with the Governor of Georgia bullying the Governor to produce eleven thousand more votes for Trump.
  • He was recorded calling the Justice Department daily, explicitly saying “...just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me.”
    • When told that his claims had been investigated by the department and found to contradict the evidence, Trump responded, “You guys may not be following the internet the way I do.”
• He then threatened to replace the DOJ leadership with more loyal servants.
  • Weeks prior to the Capitol insurrection, AG William Barr publicly declared that the Justice Department found no evidence supporting Trump’s election fraud claims. He then submitted his resignation.
  • Immediately following this, Justice Dept. attorney Jeffrey Clark plotted with Trump to remove Barr’s successor as AG so to direct the Justice Department themselves to pressure Georgia lawmakers into reversing the election results. This triggered the department’s leadership to threaten Trump with their uniform resignations, eventually convincing Trump the plan would fail.
• Trump coordinated a protest rally at the Capitol scheduled for the day Congress was in session to count the Electoral Votes that would formally declare Biden the winner.
  • The protest was based on a plan outlined in a memo written by one of Trump's attorney's. It relied upon Pence refusing to count the votes and declaring Trump the winner on Jan. 6th., and it was circulated among loyalists in the White House and Congress.
  • Trump and his loyalists then lied to his supporters, telling them Pence had the authority to stop Biden from being declared President. And he and his loyalists instructed an angry mob to march on the Capitol to “Stop The Steal” or else the U.S. would fall!
  • “If we are wrong we will be made fools of, but if we're right a lot of them will go to jail. So let's have trial by combat."Rudy Guilianni, Trump TV attorney.
  • “The best thing for America’s future is for Donald Trump to go to total war over this election to expose all of the fraud, cheating, dead/no longer in state voters, that has been going on for far too long.” Trump jr.
  • "When you win in a landslide and they steal it. And it’s rigged. It’s not acceptable… Make no mistake, this election was stolen from you, from me, and from the country… We will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we’ve been forced to believe over the past several weeks. We’ve amassed overwhelming evidence about a fake election… Nobody until I came along had any idea how corrupt our elections were… Today we’ll see whether or not Republicans stand strong for our country… We will not let them silence your voices, we’re not going to let it happen. (Crowd chants: Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!)...If you don’t fight to save the country with everything you have, you’re not going to have a country left...The radical left knows exactly what they are doing. They’re ruthless and it’s time somebody did something about it. Mike Pence, I hope you are going to stand up for the good of our Constitution and for the good of our country...Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election...And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore... We're going to walk down to the Capitol. And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them… Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong...We're going to walk down Pennsylvania Ave ... and we're going to [try] to give our Republicans -- the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help -- we're to try and get them kind of pride and boldness they need to take back our country...I hope the Democrats, and even more importantly, the weak and ineffective RINO section of the Republican Party, are looking at the thousands of people pouring into D.C. They won’t stand for a landslide election victory being stolen. Washington is being inundated with people who don’t want to see an election victory stolen by emboldened Radical Left Democrats. Our Country has had enough, they won’t take it anymore! We hear you (and love you) from the Oval Office. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to...These are the things and events that happen [viz. The Capitol insurrection] when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love and in peace. Remember this day forever!" (A small sample of) Donald Trump
• This malicious, tin-pot dictator assault on our institution of democracy is unprecedented: It was a coup attempt. And it caused an insurrection. And it is perhaps the most fundamentally destabilizing attack against the U.S. since the Confederate rebellion. Neither Pearl Harbor nor 9/11 ever realized the chance of so basically upsetting our society and government.

"A lot of people are saying....🤷‍♂️" constitutes a report for Donnie's clapping seals

So, we are down to this level of discourse. Red meat to the base, no basis to the accusation, just throw around tropes..

As someone put it in the replies...

To be honest after the last few years and seeing the $hite that is going on in the US I think they are past the point of no return and the country is completely F*cked.

The rhetoric being spouted is literally I will do whatever it takes to regain power and Fck the country and I am looking after my own interests. people are way too far gone to be able to have a proper discussion on things.

The country has applied the Gun rhetoric to every other part of their lives now and are digging their heels in no matter what.

The fact that disgusting, dumb and dangerous individuals like Boebert and Mad Marge can be elected now just sums up far the country has fallen. It's absolutely shocking that that they are sitting in Congress.

Re-read your post, but replace the word "reports" with "tweets", because that's what actually happened.