you mean goldwater?
I do, apologies for the misnomer I was working from memory and in probably a little bit of unconscious bias went with Goldman, as I remembered the "gold" and was 100% certain it wasn't Goldberg.
that just reminded me of an old joke about icebergs and Titanic that we're probably not allowed tell any more.
I guess there are no reprocussions when your side posts lies. Luckily you're not on the Right or you'd get a warning. Trump did not have COVID before the debate with Biden. Mark Meadows confirmed it.
No, it was not a crime. He was provided reports that what he told Raffensburger at the time was correct. Later on it turned out to be incorrect.
Sorta like everyone here has been claiming from the high heavens Trump had COVID before the debate with Biden. Which turns out to be false. See, it happens.
Or is the Left exempt from responsibility for posting and spreading lies?
Where did these reports about voting fraud come from? Nobody has ever seen them, they were never presented as evidence in court. It's all entirely made up and just from the imagination of Trump... Aka, he was lying. And he was lying to an another official for the sole purpose of attempting to get them to change the results of the election in favour of Trump.
You realize that referring to people as 'jewess' is only contributing to the anti-semitism? It's reducing people to one part of what they believe as well as their gender and something you've now done twice in not too many posts.
There were no “reports”. There were rumours and conspiracy theories.
I agree that Trump did not threaten Raffensperger.
Not threatening an election offical does not make trying to overturn the democratic will of the people does not make it somehow acceptable. This is true regardless of what Hilliary did or did not do. I am astounded that you can accept that Trump deliberatley tried to ilegally influence the electrol process and still support him.
I don't believe your consiprecy theory about Hilliary, besides if Trump had locked her up as he had promised she could not have done this 😀😃😀
Before you say it I am no Hilliary or Biden fan either, sadly I would only vote for them as they are not Trump. Their (alleged) illegal beheviour does not somehow excuse Trump's.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
Come back to the light fellow, you’ve gone too far.
The whole lie came from Trump and his cronies.
Haha you're right for once, there aren't any repercussions. Trump has been lying for a year about the election being stolen, continues to do so and he's gotten away with it. You talk about liars and then believe something Meadows said, the irony!
was Meadows lying when he said trump did have covid or when he said that he didn't?
I do, and despite my using the word it isn't to frame anti-Semitism on my part. Rather it's the lens through which many in the US and in particular the rust belt and the Evangelical Christian areas that are ardent Trump support bases. This is how many there discuss Ivanka and frame her "apostasy".
The disconnect between supporting Israel and being Anti-Semitic is very marked. Many of the Evangelical bent see a strang Israel as a tool to keep Islam out of the Holy Land it's about supporting Christian hegemony rather than Jewish freedoms.
Trump has been lying about the election since before the one in 2016. He was claiming that votes had been faked before a single one had been made. He was claiming that Clinton had cheated somehow despite the fact that Trump himself won and launched an investigation as president to try and prove that he'd been cheated out of the win even though he won.
He can't do anything but lie and complain about being cheated out of things even when they clearly didn't happen.
Blantently copy and pasted from reddit but it's extremely pertinent
THE 2020 ELECTION
After election night:
There are Zero reports, either provided by the trump team or by yourself, that show any irregularities with the election process.
Zero, zip, nada, your claims, and trumps, are a big lie
"A lot of people are saying....🤷♂️" constitutes a report for Donnie's clapping seals
Yet, whenever he has made a statement such as that, it is always the first that anyone has heard of whatever nonsense claim he has just talked about. Nobody has ever been heard to be saying anything about any of his claims until he's made them.
The line "A lot of people are saying..." is itself a lie.
So, we are down to this level of discourse. Red meat to the base, no basis to the accusation, just throw around tropes..
As someone put it in the replies...
They really love mentioning Communism, despite not knowing what it actually means. Joe the Communist should set up a gulag and send her packing there the absolute nutjob.
To be honest after the last few years and seeing the $hite that is going on in the US I think they are past the point of no return and the country is completely F*cked.
The rhetoric being spouted is literally I will do whatever it takes to regain power and Fck the country and I am looking after my own interests. people are way too far gone to be able to have a proper discussion on things.
The country has applied the Gun rhetoric to every other part of their lives now and are digging their heels in no matter what.
It's like there is some part of their sacred constitution that enshrines the right to their own reality and "facts" over actual reality and facts. Don't know how they are a functional country anymore.
The fact that disgusting, dumb and dangerous individuals like Boebert and Mad Marge can be elected now just sums up far the country has fallen. It's absolutely shocking that that they are sitting in Congress.
At the time the call was made, Trump was getting reports of varying issues that brought him concerns over the legitimacy of the election in Georgia. SUBSEQUENT investigations showed his concerns were unfounded, but that doesn’t change the fact that at the time he had valid concerns, and if any or all of the reports he had been receiving were true, a discussion with the Georgia election official was not improper.
We're all experts on history after the fact, but only the honest look at things from a historical perspective.
Re-read your post, but replace the word "reports" with "tweets", because that's what actually happened.
Jesus Christ I can’t believe that someone thinks that he was just misled at the time but has since learnt the truth, because that would be acceptable if he had in the meantime expressed that he was wrong not continued to beat the drum.
Look at the things Trump claimed on the call.
He started off by claiming that he "must have won" because of the size of his rallies
So we’ve spent a lot of time on this, and if we could just go over some of the numbers, I think it’s pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia. You even see it by rally size, frankly. We’d be getting 25-30,000 people a rally, and the competition would get less than 100 people. And it never made sense.
Then he moves on to "Forged Signatures"
We have at least 2 or 3 — anywhere from 250 to 300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls. Much of that had to do with Fulton County, which hasn’t been checked. We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County — you’ll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures of people who have been forged. And we are quite sure that’s going to happen.
Then he claims that 50,000 plus people were "turned away at the polling booths"
Another tremendous number. We’re going to have an accurate number over the next two days with certified accountants. But an accurate number will be given, but it’s in the 50s of thousands — and that’s people that went to vote and they were told they can’t vote because they’ve already been voted for. And it’s a very sad thing. They walked out complaining. But the number’s large. We’ll have it for you. But it’s much more than the number of 11,779 that’s — the current margin is only 11,779. Brad, I think you agree with that, right? That’s something I think everyone — at least that’s a number that everyone agrees on.
Then he rambles on about how other Republicans won but he didn't which means he must have won
And I know you would like to get to the bottom of it, although I saw you on television today, and you said that you found nothing wrong. I mean, you know, and I didn’t lose the state, Brad. People have been saying that it was the highest vote ever. There was no way. A lot of the political people said that there’s no way they beat me. And they beat me. They beat me in the . . . As you know, every single state, we won every state. We won every statehouse in the country. We held the Senate, which is shocking to people, although we’ll see what happens tomorrow or in a few days.
And we won the House, but we won every single statehouse, and we won Congress, which was supposed to lose 15 seats, and they gained, I think 16 or 17 or something. I think there’s a now difference of five. There was supposed to be a difference substantially more. But politicians in every state, but politicians in Georgia have given affidavits and are going to that, that there was no way that they beat me in the election, that the people came out, in fact, they were expecting to lose, and then they ended up winning by a lot because of the coattails. And they said there’s no way, that they’ve done many polls prior to the election, that there was no way that they won.
Then we got the "Dead People"
The other thing, dead people. So dead people voted, and I think the number is close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number, and a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters.
Then "Burning Ballots" , which even he says "may not be True"
The bottom line is, when you add it all up and then you start adding, you know, 300,000 fake ballots. Then the other thing they said is in Fulton County and other areas. And this may or may not be true . . . this just came up this morning, that they are burning their ballots, that they are shredding, shredding ballots and removing equipment. They’re changing the equipment on the Dominion machines and, you know, that’s not legal.
And they supposedly shredded I think they said 300 pounds of, 3,000 pounds of ballots. And that just came to us as a report today. And it is a very sad situation.
He then rambles on about the same things in multiple other States , 220k more votes than people in PA , 139% turnout in Detroit and 18k Dead people in Michigan
Raffensberger then replies and goes through each one and calls them out for the Horsesh!t that they were, except he had actual facts and data instead on chat room conspiracy theories
Trump then responds , basically ignoring all the facts he's jsut been provided and goes back to claiming his Rallies mean he couldn't have lost
And I could tell you by our rallies. I could tell you by the rally I’m having on Monday night, the place, they already have lines of people standing out front waiting. It’s just not possible to have lost Georgia. It’s not possible. When I heard it was close, I said there’s no way.
It goes on and on like this with Raffensberger providing evidence supported by facts and data and Trump ignoring that and repeating his bulls!t.
Trump then suggested that the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and the FBI who investigated all the calims of dead people etc. were either incompetent or lying when they found no proof
Well, there’s no way they could — then they’re incompetent. They’re either dishonest or incompetent, okay?
And round it round it goes Facts on one side and Trump saying "We've heard XYZ" on the other. Not a shred of evidence , not an iota of actionable information , just rambling tripe.
Followed by the infamous
So what are we going to do here, folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break. You know, we have that in spades already. Or we can keep it going, but that’s not fair to the voters of Georgia because they’re going to see what happened, and they’re going to see what happened.
Read the whole thing yourselves , it's like a parent arguing with Kids over whether they can watch the late movie.
It's pathetic.
What reports are these? I don't recall him ever producing any reports? If he never produced these reports, how do you know he was getting them?
Reports from data analyst Matt Braynard for one.
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