What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Itssoeasy

So MTG has decided to use her medical degree to argue why they shouldn’t close down the country for covid because they don’t do it for the high number of cancer deaths every year. Not surprisingly many people tweeted back at her that covid and cancer aren’t even remotely the same, nor is cancer a contagious respiratory virus.

salmocab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118271695#Comment_118271695

MTG is a cancer

PropJoe10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118271695#Comment_118271695

MTG is an absolute stain on the undergarments of society. How could people voluntarily vote for a racist, bigoted idiot like that?

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118272627#Comment_118272627

Why? Because she represents their views.

PropJoe10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118272659#Comment_118272659

Yeah. A sad reflection on American society.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118270910#Comment_118270910

That was the President of the US. What a sad indictment.

😆

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118270910#Comment_118270910

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/895081686681124864

And yes, I have posted it before, many times.

What Miller was saying then was literally 'F*ck Barack Obama'. And time and time again, Trump has demonstrated just how much of their motivation was because of that hatred rather than any ideal or political capability Trump himself or those around him had.

gormdubhgorm

I heard Trump was going to apply to be a boards moderator in between speaking engagements. It could be fake news though.

francois

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118272627#Comment_118272627

just a guess but they may be racist bigots?

everlast75

While out trying to pedal another book he didn't write, trump admits to obstruction of justice.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1467674845987016707?t=uCdJkPXd83BMHW34mtzXIA&s=19

Sadly, his supporters will either say that he was right to fire comey, or that he was so clever because he never suffered any consequences, as opposed to what really in the issue here - he is by far the most corrupt president in living memory

TheIrishGrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118275720#Comment_118275720

It doesn't matter what you or anyone says, you will not change these peoples' minds. Let's say for example that Trump had murdered someone (AFAIK, he has not 😀. Just using as a hypothetical).

• First, rumours emerge: "Oh, it's the liberal tech companies with a bias against him. Roll out proposition 230. Let's silence these companies. Fake news. Sad"
• Then phone call recording emerges of him boasting about murdering someone: "It's so pathetically fake. I can do better at home. Lame"
• Then it is verified and stations start reporting it to various degrees: CNN, MSNBC, BBC, global news groups like Reuters, having verified the authenticity, investigate further. Try to find more info. Fox, GB"News" and other stations attempt to cast doubt: "Oh, see, there is doubt. It's not been proven. It's only a theory. Obvious Liberal Media manipulation. Look at this article from Fox. Or this one from americaneaglesavejesus or draintheswamponebulletatatime. or breitbart or bitschute. All ignored. Lame."
• Then his "lawyers (Many now disbarred in real life) start suing media outlets for attacking the president "Without a shred of proof". Calling them traitors and should be held for treason. They claim they have PROOF that these are fake: "See? Told you. They wouldn't go after them if this was real. Watch them all go down. This is the end of these tech companies and failing stations"
• All cases are thrown out. Proof consists of conflicting eye-witness reports of witnessing the recording of the recording. No other evidence: "Well of course they are thrown out. This is the power these corrupt groups have. They want him out. So they dig up some fake recording/He is only joking. Like the lightbulb/bleach thing. He's a funny guy"
• As FBI investigates, Trump fires director and investigators: "See? Even the FBI is corrupt. They should be focusing on Crooked Hilary"
• Trump admits on TV/tweet that he DID murder someone, stating "That guy said bad things about my penthouse suite and hotels. He had to die": "So you think it's OK for someone to harass someone else and for that person not to be able to defend themselves? What would happen if YOU were harassed and abused to point of desperation? He did the right thing. No, I never said it was fake. I said it was never proven. And when I DID say it was fake that was because we didn't have all the info. And we STILL don't have all the info. He said "He had to die" Does that mean HE killed him? I know he said he did in later interview but that's just what they want you to hear. He was speaking metaphorically" Or the simple "They only went after him because he is Trump and they hate him. Crooked Hilary has done MUCH worse. And Biden is too stupid/old to do it"

So no matter what happens, his cronies will follow him. If Trump did a "Beatles" and claimed he was bigger (And being Trump, he would add "and, y'know... like.... they... y'know, bigger and BETTER") than Jesus, his cronies would raise their arms and agree. Even his most ardent gun-toting "christians": "Well, Jesus didn't have to deal with Muslims or China. Trump does. And IS"

TheIrishGrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118272659#Comment_118272659

Every day her party doesn't condemn her, they condone her. The party disrespects and abuses its core voters. Voters who believe is fiscal conservatism, Voters who believe is a strong defensive military. Now their party is more racist, more ignorant about science, more homophobic, more isolationist, more fearful, more anti-woman, more in the pocket of the NRA and big oil than any time in the last 70 years. The party knows that these people will not vote Democrat so they just say "OK, this is who we are now: If you don't like it you are unamerican and can vote Democrat. But we know you are not so suck it up. Oh, by the way, here is a tweet of a governor wishing for Santa to bring him bullets for Christmas just days after ANOTHER shooting. You want to something about school shootings? Ban videogames...... And the Woke LGBTQI+"

Leroy42

Disperspects it core voters? They are aligning with their core voters. They covered it with Trump by saying that HC was so terrible that they were prepared to vote for Trump inspite of everything, the lessor of two evils.

That has now shown to be completely rubbish. They voted for Trump because of Trump. He spoke their language. So does MTG, and so many others. That is the core of the party.

TheIrishGrover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbErkUE3Az0

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118271628#Comment_118271628

You're assuming most of that money will even make it to the technical side of things. A Billion could fund a pretty well made web-service. However my gut tells me that Trump's usual IT idiots might get the odd million thrown at them and the rest gets pocketed, leaving them with an unpatched re-skin of Mastodon that will probably crumble soon into public launch.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118276413#Comment_118276413

First off , I don't believe that they have a billion in funding lined up or anything close and any money they do have will be split 90:10 between Trumps pocket and the actual running of the business.

The vast majority of the money they do have comes from 2 Groups - You have the small dollar "Mom & Pop investors" from MAGA world that think Trump is awesome and would give him money for anything he asked for and then the other group are those that are giving Trump money on the expectation of a political favour in return at some point in the future - It's a loop-hole to avoid campaign finance scrutiny.

There is absolutely no one giving him money for this because they think it's a good business plan with a chance at profitability.

TheIrishGrover

They also have to have it hosted. These type of sites tend to descend into hate speech and defamation. To a degree that they and their hosting platform can be held accountable. A hosting platform like AWS or Azure or Google (for example) could be held responsible for profiting from hate speech and open to defamation suits so I would imagine that the main providers will avoid them. This would not be a bias situation. Simply a valid business decision. (Business is business). So they would need to rely on a more sympathetic hosting service. These would be smaller and more prone to DDoS attacks. Or, they could build their own hosting service. 4Bn would certainly be a good start but I believe you would need at least 3 times that to provide a robust enough infrastructure. That is assuming that all the money actually went to the right people. Past history would indicate however.....

Assuming it does launch to a proper degree - As opposed to a few websites looking for donations or a re-skinned open-source platform (doubtful). Assuming they spend the money and do it right Social Media lives on advertising and data-mining. There will be backlash (And before "someone" goes on about cancel culture, remember Trump and cronies calling for boycott of Facebook/Twitter. Works both ways). But again, business is business, if the platform draws enough members that would negate the calls for boycotts (And let's be honest, how effective are boycotts?) then companies will advertise there. But if not then they will not get the advertising. Simple business call. As for data-mining then existing platforms gather MUCH wider demographics than one tailored to a VERY specific group. The wider the range of data, the more valuable it is.

So, in short, these things need to generate money to pay for their hosting. This would be VERY difficult.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118276774#Comment_118276774

Agree on pretty much every point here.

It is a fundamentally flawed business model.

Social Media exists through the generation of discussion/debate and disagreement.

You can see it here on boards , the active/interesting threads here are where there is a degree of disagreement that causes people to reply and defend/attack the viewpoint of another poster.

If you setup a platform exclusively for one group who will largely have a homogeneous set of views it will be very boring very quickly. Unless of course you allow them to one up each other with the vitriol and hyperbole.

Unregulated, a political thread goes from "vote them out" to "Lynch them in the streets" a lot more quickly than you might think.

They are completely stuck - If they moderate it, then it will be a very boring place with everyone essentially agreeing with each other and people will stop posting. If they allow a free-for-all it will become toxic very fast and then they lose any hope of advertising revenue and Hosting platforms etc. will also run scared.

They are goosed either way.

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118277386#Comment_118277386

I kept an eye on the donald.win across the election and for a period after. It was pretty educational how violent the posts were when they didn't feel the need to moderate their talk. It was a pretty common statement that the ammo box was the 3rd box in terms of keeping Trump in charge (ballot and judge being the first two). For some reason they also had a fascination of people being dropped out of helicopters. I am unsure were that came from though as it seems pretty specific. Also how the tone changed massively as soon as Jan 6th happened and they realised they had messed up and so went into denial about all the violent posts that were still viewable there.

Rawr

Also add Trump's uncanny reversed-Midas Touch whenever he touches anything approaching a business plan:

Trump Shuttle: Take a commuter airline, overload the aging 727 aircraft with tacky bathroom fittings with retrofits worth more than the aircraft itself. Never turn a profit as a result.

Trump Taj Mahal: Take over a casino project and triple the build cost beyond the point of profitability. Require Daddy Trump to buy a load of casino chips and never use them to keep it afloat. Never turns a profit.

Trump University: Setup a lesson plan based on ghost-written jargon and pretend it's a school. Looses much of that cash to law suits.

Trump Steaks: Plastic wrapped "Premium" steaks....sold at clothing stores. Doesn't last long....

The Trump Brand as a whole: Becomes one of the most hated people in history, devaluing anything with his name on it.

I feel like digital technology is a whole new level of stupid for him. He really seems to excel at getting the cheapest, most feckless IT people involved in making his digital output. From his Wordpress blog with a Twitter skin, to this new thing, it all just reeks of failure...which feels like a theme for Donald Trump.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118277568#Comment_118277568

Doonbeg isn't doing great either....

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-40755831.html

MisterAnarchy

If you setup a platform exclusively for one group who will largely have a homogeneous set of views it will be very boring very quickly. Unless of course you allow them to one up each other with the vitriol and hyperbole.



These type of sites tend to descend into hate speech and defamation.

So it will be exactly like this thread, is what ye are saying.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278228#Comment_118278228

Perhaps , but more likely there'd be a significant escalation in rhetoric and then users start to one up each other - See various Reddit and 4Chan/8Chan threads as examples.

I would think that this thread, being as it is an Irish based platform is fairly representative of the general viewpoints/opinions on the topic.

Trump is not very popular in Ireland at all, so the relative scarcity of Trump supporters is pretty representative of the wider populace in my view.

The challenge for TruthSocial is can they be representative of the US as a whole or will they just be a "MAGA Message board"?

The comms thus far suggest they want to be the latter which brings it's own issues - Does it become a moderated, but very boring platform where not much happens or does it take the hands off "wild west" approach and have the resulting toxic mess scare away most advertisers and potentially hosting/infrastructure partners as well?

The path to a stable viable platform is a very very narrow one that would require a level of nuance and dexterity thus far entirely absent from anything Donald Trump has ever done in his life to date.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278228#Comment_118278228

The very fact that you're posting indicates that's not true...

ohnonotgmail

Things still going well for those who brought cases alleging election fraud

https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2021/12/02/sidney-powell-team-ordered-pay-175-250-fees-michigan-case/8843056002/

TheIrishGrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278380#Comment_118278380

Plus, any moderation is usually seen as "Censorship" by people who would frequent these sites. A moderator may be removing defamatory statements or hate speech or other posts that might violate applicable laws. To stop suits/being kicked off platform. This would lead to instant cries of censorship.

If you setup a platform exclusively for one group who will largely have a homogeneous set of views it will be very boring very quickly. Unless of course you allow them to one up each other with the vitriol and hyperbole.

These type of sites tend to descend into hate speech and defamation.

So it will be exactly like this thread, is what ye are saying.

I see no defamation on this thread. Nobody is stopping people posting their opinions. People are posting to have a lively debate. If someone posts something they deem as fact then they have the option to post sources to these facts. Not only is this an option but it is encouraged and even requested. Then others are, in this free and open forum, allowed to debate the merits of these sources. And this works both ways. Some can dispute the impartiality and reliability of brietbard or bitchute or fox. Others can dispute the impartiality and reliability of BBC and reuters.

notobtuse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118264562#Comment_118264562

It's not whataboutery when you utilize it to showcase the rampant hypocrisy here.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118276544#Comment_118276544

It's the "SPAC" scam company that, no surprise there, is being investigated by FINRA. The thing seems like such a screaming gift when it first surfaceda a few months ago, and it seems now even Wall St. has woken up to it.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/06/business/trump-spac-investigation/index.html

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118279361#Comment_118279361

SPAC's in general are ripe for abuse and even money laundering so are we really surprised that there's a suggestion that Trump might be playing fast and loose with the rules?

Does he know how to conduct business any other way?

Black Swan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118279166#Comment_118279166

You have been allowed to freely give your personal anecdotal opinions here about Trump’s past and future, along with occasional citations from the far, far political right of the American spectrum.

This has included your unquestioning, uncritical, and continuous support for Trump’s 2020 election fraud Big Lie, no matter what evidence has been presented here by many postings. Multiple state election recounts, including the recent Arizona Republican sponsored Cyber Ninja recounting that found no evidence to overturn the Biden win has been posted here, which you have conveniently ignored, because it differs with your absolute support for Trump in 2024.

You have given no credit to Trump’s (Republican) US Attorney General William Bar, when he concluded that there had been no evidence to support the overturn of the 2020 election after an examination by the US Justice Department, obviously because it differs with Trump’s Big Lie.

You continue to ignore the results of over 60 state, federal, and Supreme Court decisions that rejected Trump’s Big Lie conspiracy, as that would erode his position for 2024 election. Except for the suggestion that all the evidence was not available after the election when these more than 60 cases were filed. This extraordinary number of Trump’s failed cases boggles the imagination for most of us across the pond, but not you for some reason. It also suggests that the many expensive, Trump supporting legal firms did not do their research following Trump’s loser election, and were all incompetent in comparison to you.