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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,500 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭The Nu man in town


    They are effectively using the new variant as an excuse to keep the farce going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Oh give over yourself ffs. We have 90% + adults inoculated for a start who are unlikely to get seriously ill , booster shots gathering pace. We have had huge cases everyday for the last couple of months and yet hospitalizations stable between 500-600. This is not December 2020. You’re seriously out of touch with reality.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    Only the certs and indoor restrictions are within their remit really, who is going to pay any attention to household numbers? It was none of their business last year how many people you had over for Xmas, and it sure as **** is none of their business this year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭The Nu man in town


    "We know that every 1,000 cases of Covid-19 will lead to 20-25 people in hospital" - Holohan November 22nd 2021.

    An absolute conman, with 4000+ cases a day we should be seeing 100 admissions a day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭The Nu man in town


    And of course no mention of only allowing vaccinated people into your home.

    Another own goal from these failures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Anyone know what time the hspc Friday icu and deaths vaccination breakdown reports usually go up.

    The page where they normally are is showing a 404 error for the last few hours.

    Haven't seen that error on it before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭Le Bruise


    NPHET are reading that as 404 admitted to ICU in the last few hours, hence the panic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,166 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    That's a rude and uncivil post to someone who frankly does not deserve that sort of reply.

    Your posts are increasingly anti vaxx quoting from some very dodgy sites. Your language is emotive and you lump all posters who disagree with you together.

    I think your posts have been going down hill over the last few months and it appears you are gone down the rabbit hole of misinformation.

    It is so easy to say the health service is crxp and there are hospital outbreaks, nothing to see here.. While all the time ignoring rising cases among children ( we discussed this very scenario in September, remember?) and increases in infection and illness amongst any left unvaccinated.

    You say that nurses are out as close contacts, that is true but not the cause of reduced services. That would be down to the large numbers still in hospital with Covid, majority of whom are sick, again denied by some here, and need hospital care.

    I agree with many things that other poster says but I think you know I don't agree with children being excluded from school nor mandatory vaccination as we have discussed that very subject before.

    That would be misrepresenting so you can dismiss my post.

    No links, just anecdotes and excessive drama from you as usual

    And when you descend to misinformation and name calling you have lost the debate, everywhere it seems except here.

    Done with you now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,026 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Based off hospital admissions and discharges from Nov 1st there should be less than 100 on hospital in our country. Yet there is over 500. But yeah lets blame the kids.



  • Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It really needs to get to the point where if you're supporting this charade and this NPHET political entity, you need to be seen as supporting mass unemployment, non payment of bills/mortgages, and mass broken homes and families.

    I don't see anything else getting through to the I'm so scared/restrictions until covid magically disappears crowd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    So what if children are getting covid - cases do not matter, only outcomes matter! Children are incredibly unlikely to be hospitalised with covid (more likely for flu or RSV). And children who are not severely immunocompromised have 0 risk of death from covid.

    Beds taken up in hospitals by covid patients are a fraction of the overall hospital system - to attribute the blame for service cutbacks on that alone is disingenuous bs. Staff shortages have a far bigger impact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    As they say @Goldengirl, the effort required to refute bullsh1t is exponentially larger than that required to produce it. When posters have demonstrated themselves to be prolific liars and bullshit peddlers, you're better off sticking them on ignore and moving on. Let them scream into the void.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    We do not know how This variant behaves in terms of vaccines.

    nor we do we know how previous infection works with variant.

    if we knew it behaved the same as previously then yes, restrictions are unnecessary,

    but we do not, and it surely better to be cautious.

    that’s reality. It sucks, but it’s reality right now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Mango321



    They're screaming into an echo chamber.

    Not a void.



  • Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Organisations, unions etc, need to start opposing this. The Vintners and the RAI go quiet very quickly. Good to see the Campaign for the Arts come out against it - only a minor crowd but movement always starts with something small. https://twitter.com/Campaign4Arts/status/1466754308259655680



  • Posts: 563 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm getting seriously concerned about the lack of coherent messaging coming from Government. They are all over the place on it and they're going to confuse people and lose the room.

    1. Be clear about why the restrictions are emerging and don't patronise people. If they're there as a temporary precaution due to omicron be very clear about that. If they're about reducing overall numbers of infections, also be clear about that - do not mix messaging and do not lecture people. They're very willing to lend a hand and pull together, but there's no need for this 1980s school principal style tone.
    2. Policies should be CLEAR, CONCISE, FACTS LED and CONSISTENT and not sound like the cabinet and its advisors all have completely different takes on what's going on.
    3. Stop dogmatically repeating that 'schools are safe ... schools are safe ... schools are safe' without doing something to make the the case and showing strong evidence - i.e. working on the air quality in classrooms. People aren't fools and they're beginning to look like some of the ministers and leadership are just parroting the same nonsense over and over. It's also way out of step with comparable countries and we know that.
    4. Get the vaccine systems flowing properly. Reopen the web portal, let people register for boosters, get things feeling like there's a process in place. Do not have thousands of people turning up at walk-in centres to queue for hours. It's unnecessary and it will cause annoyance. Also issue updated certs.
    5. Get the messaging right about the vaccines. People don't seem to know what cohort is doing what when anymore. It's totally unclear.
    6. Create ONE website for all things government covid messaging related. Do not continue to have information scattered across multiple site, often in dense text and often also extremely out of date. It needs to be something like "COVID.GOV.IE" and that should have everything up-to-date, all the latest news, regulations, access to statistical portals, vaccine registration, health and advice (in English, Irish and multiple commonly spoken languages of other communities here) and it should be tightly managed, easy to navigate and look slick.


  • Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Also, very interesting here - the HSE/DoH has spent over 12m on Covid advertising. And we wonder why the media are being played like fools.. Generally, it's always a worthwhile exercise to follow the money trail. https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1466762260836192260



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭purplefields




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  • Posts: 563 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You can spend a lot of money on ads and still get the message all jumbled up, especially when the communications are coming from umpteen sources, all with their own hot take on everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,414 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Caveat after caveat. They shouldn’t be allowed to publish this stuff in the news without it being peer approved.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,674 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Hotels is a strange one. What happens for those who are in emergency accommodation in hotels that are unvaccinated? Out on the streets?



  • Posts: 563 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In France the certs are not required for hotel accommodation, take-out or room service on the basis that hotel accommodation might be an essential service and France has a far more draconian approach to this overall. They are required for hospitality within the hotel i.e. bar, restaurant, cafe etc service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    It's great to see so may people come over to the other side and finally see what NPHET are and particularly the CMO who will never give up power.

    Welcome to my views in May 2020. Now please bring as many friends and family with you and we can slowly end this awful existence that many people have lived in Ireland for 21 months.



  • Posts: 563 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd give a lot of credit for the scale of rollout of the first and second dose vaccines, and that was handled by a specific Vaccine Task Force which needs to be reassembled immediately.

    As for the rest of it ... some restrictions were and might be necessary, but they need to be extremely science led and justified. I am getting a bit fed up with these arbitrary nonsense type measures and then total blindness to measures like school air hygiene that is blatantly obviously missing. Ireland's not unique in that either, I've seen similar in the UK and France by times.

    The utter crazies on the fringes have not helped any kind of nuanced debate going around roaring about conspiracy theories. In fact, I think they've done a huge disservice to their being any kind of nuanced debate on measures because it allowed anyone critiquing anything to be thrown into the 'oh one of them lot...' category. It was understandable to a degree during the worst and most unpredictable phase of the pandemic as without the vaccines in place, it was a genuinely catastrophic situation and had been in numerous comparable places, but we have been vaccinated and also have far more of a sense of how this behaves now and we need to be able to debate the nuances much more than we had to date.

    The positives I see at the moment are again mostly vaccine related. The very high vaccination rate and the targeted booster campaign has us in a totally different position to Christmas 2020 or to many of our continental neighbours experiencing difficulties too. Case rates are too high, but we should be able to curb them with pretty minor tweaks here and there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭The Nu man in town


    Yeah, lets, as a country, take precautions against every possible bad thing that might happen.

    Build loads of nuclear shelters.

    Ban cars to stop people getting killed in car crashes.

    Build a 10m wall round the coast in case of global warming.

    Etc. Etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,709 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    legitimately what power does the cmo have?

    He doesn't make any decisions, he makes recommendations, thats his job.


    Any anger with the subsequent decisions are surely for the government?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭The Nu man in town


    "NPHET advise the government decides" has been done to death.

    By and large the government have rubber stamped the vast majority of NPHET decisions, no political gain by going against him.

    Holohan has been entrusted to give recommendations which he knows will largely be implemented, we as a nation have entrusted an awful lot of responsibility in him.

    Sadly its now gone to his head.



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