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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #27692
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,015 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    NPHET leaking information? Who could possibly have predicted that!!!

    For **** sake this isn't some new development, open a thread from 2020 and you will see the exact same thing, it is the NPHET playbook. Anybody angry about leaks in December 2021 is either very stupid or being very disingenuous.



  • #27693
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,138 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262137#Comment_118262137

    And the permanently frightened will always look for more restrictions, and unfortunately it looks like we have to live with that too



  • #27694
    Mango321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Mango321


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262558#Comment_118262558

    Bless you.


    NPHET has no interest in leaking. The people on it aren't paid for their work. They have day jobs.

    Political parties, however, have a large interest in controlling the narrative.


    P.S. That 'journalists were on it straight away' might give you a clue.



  • #27695
    Be right back
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,371 ✭✭✭Be right back


    The sooner NEPHET is disbanded or paid no attention to, the better. Surely Leo, as a doctor could make informed decisions.



  • #27696
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,463 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262366#Comment_118262366

    Maybe he's not up to date on breakthrough infections. But he even says future cases are likely. Even in the original trials vs the wild strain, no vaccine was 100% effective vs infection, data from Israel show after a booster, it's still not 100% effective. So before people get their knickers in a twist, yes there will be breakthrough infections despite boosters. And having ~4k cases a day, yes we will see them.

    Also worth pointing out, as I see people mention dose 4 etc... The UK are already going with a 4th dose for immunosuppressed people (the 4th dose will be their booster) The same will be offered here no doubt.



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  • #27697
    mollser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭mollser


    Mostly the journalists in rte, where Glynns wife works? Hmm



  • #27698
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262611#Comment_118262611

    This one has Varadkar's finger prints all over it.



  • #27699
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262611#Comment_118262611

    You think the government leaked a letter they hadn’t seen yet? It’s happened before and NPHET have leaked plenty of details. They are but in name a political entity now! All about power at this stage.



  • #27700
    Mango321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Mango321


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262632#Comment_118262632


    No it didn't happen before.

    Leo Varadkar leaked the October 2020 letter as well.



  • #27701
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262611#Comment_118262611

    LOL. They have leaked after every meeting. Chambers book even talks about a known leak. They have every interest in leaking, it forces the issue on government.



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  • #27702
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    https://twitter.com/covid19dataie/status/1466749819821637633?s=21

    Positivity rate going back up.



  • #27703
    Ah_well.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Ah_well.


    Sage are put back in their box in England. In Ireland Nephet rule the roost and if the government dare push back the media hound them mercilessly which feeds down into the general population. Nephet need to be pushed back against. Won't happen though



  • #27704
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Honestly at this stage if they were looking for something to do which would drive down case numbers without making everyone say, "**** off", they would announce that schools will close for the Xmas break next Friday. That gives two weeks for the infection to burn out of school kids and their parents.

    But with DeGascun's clanger last night that he's "hopeful" schools will open in January, such a move would definitely have people believing that schools won't reopen in January.

    Which is still a possibility. But at this stage, ask everyone to try and keep their social contacts low or outside, and close the schools two weeks early. Doesn't seem like there are any other options available that people are going to accept.



  • #27705
    Mango321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Mango321


    I think Tony Holohan et al. would be more than happy to slip back into obscurity.

    They're not trying to get film deals.


    P.S. Doesn't apply to the likes of Luke O'Neill.



  • #27706
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262681#Comment_118262681

    I hope that that is what they are going to do today. And the reason for the emergency meeting is to make sure that the papers dont run with the NPHET narrative over the weekend



  • #27707
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118261946#Comment_118261946

    Ah thanks Wibbles. As you know she has dementia so it's her time now to go.

    Like you I will be continuing on with things as normal as possible. If hospitality is restricted there isn't anything I can do about that but feck this 'three person household' business and 'limiting our contacts'.



  • #27708
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262681#Comment_118262681

    4000 cases a day is not sustainable.

    If the new variant is more transmissible then it would be almost negligent to not act. We saw last christmas what can happen if we aren't proactive and things get out of hand.

    Is it not better to potentially over-react now for 3 weeks(or so) and not reach that level again? Than not act and end up in an even bigger hole



  • #27709
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262468#Comment_118262468

    I would say that is the main reason people took a vaccine, well it was for me anyway. I did not care too much about catching it, i was a bit more concerned about ending up in ICU or dying of it.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #27710
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,500 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262709#Comment_118262709

    And still the obsession with "de case numbers" persists. We've had c.4k cases each day for over 2 weeks yet in that time hospital cases are down 25% and ICU is down also. No we don't care about - we only case about the daily case numbers and to hell with everything else.



  • #27711
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262709#Comment_118262709

    But 4000 cases a day, every day, is simply impossible. As more people get infected, community immunity builds. If you look at the vast numbers of kids getting infected at the moment, it is absolutely inevitable that will peak and start falling very soon.



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  • #27712
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118261237#Comment_118261237

    Not one source but certainly a theme of economic headwinds.

    https://www.imf.org/-/media/Files/Publications/CR/2021/English/1IRLEA2021001.ashx - risk assessment in particular.

    https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/11/30/inflation-euro-zone-november-2021.html


    https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/china-advisers-recommend-lower-2022-gdp-target-headwinds-grow-sources-2021-12-02/


    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/09/business/the-fed-warns-that-chinas-property-market-stress-poses-a-risk-to-the-us.amp.html?referringSource=articleShare


    https://www.politico.eu/article/dark-economic-clouds-leave-brussels-jittery-over-recovery/amp/




  • #27713
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    @bennyl10 wrote:

    4000 cases a day is not sustainable.

    Well, hospital numbers are dropping and nearly everything is open. So clearly 4000 cases a day is sustainable.

    What makes you think they aren't?



  • #27714
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262493#Comment_118262493

    The most recent models that NPHET produced were so far off the mark, that it casts a reasonable doubt on any new modelling they come out with.

    Modelling is adored by corporate world middle managers. So I'm not shocked a bunch of middle management and academic types in NPHET are flicking their collective bean to the models. Loads of fancy powerpoint slides with arcane maths and funky looking graphs that they can ooh and ahh over projections in endless meetings and claim is how the future will go. It's got all sorts of problems and lies somewhere between may turn out this way and a shell game by modellers who await their cheques, especially in something like a pandemic of a newish pathogen in a different world than existed even a generation ago. While it can look impressive, so can a slick tarot card reader and is about as useful IMHO.

    And reality has borne this out. Look at the earliest threads of this pox hereabouts. Of course the very earliest are quite naturally in panic mode with all sorts of horrific projections, but a few months in a few things were becoming pretty clear to anyone who could read and count on their fingers who wasn't having an anxiety attack. IE death rates were much lower than feared. It almost entirely affected in the worst way the very old, the already chronically sick, or the fantastically unlucky and the risk to the under 20's, even the under 40's was minsicule. That spread by droplets was a thing, it wasn't fully airborne and surfaces(remember fomites? For the jargan absorbers. They're stuck with repeating "cohort" ad nauseum nowadays) were less in play than first thought and asymptomatic spread was an issue. All that was known within a few months of this pandemic, but wider panic was still very much in play.

    What do we know today? Vaccination works. Antibodies may go down over time and infections can go up, but in the vast majority those infections are mild to asymptomatic because of much longer lasting immune memory. By a large factor when looking at populations those in hospital and ICUs are overrepresented by the non vaccinated and the vaccinated and very ill are more likely to again be the very old or already very sick or the fantastically unlucky. This is also currently holding true for Omricon. Full lockdowns "flatten the curve"(remember that?) work, but are not sustainable economically or psychologically for long. Ditto for doing a New Zealand and closing up entirely(and they had the perfect conditions to do so. We don't).

    What doesn't work? Half arsed and contradictory restrictions the likes of which NPHET are pushing in the face of stable serious case numbers and a majority of the population vaccinated. They would have had good reasons this time last year to push restrictions, but didn't and fúcked up and not for the first time, so they're applying what they should have done last year to a very different environment this year.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #27715
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262611#Comment_118262611

    One of the main NPHET advisors is married to an RTE journalist!!

    Of course they have an interest in control, they have done since the start, leak the info last night knowing that the next cabinet meeting was due to be next week, weekend of numbers going up as is normal, weekend of media pushing this narrative of government not acting equals more pressure.

    Probably surprised NPHET they called a cabinet meeting today.

    A blanket ban on NPHET adressing the media apart from detailing already agreed measures would be a good start today



  • #27716
    Relax brah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    Cant argue with NPHET’s latest recommendations, swift action is required from government now to enforce such measures so can avoid full scale lockdown.

    Again, people need to accept that this virus is going to be with us for some time to come. We need to manage our own expectations, not get emotional when things don’t go our way.



  • #27717
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262734#Comment_118262734

    and if the new variant is capable of reinfection?



  • #27718
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262700#Comment_118262700

    I hear you 100% on the dementia front. 😔

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #27719
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,457 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262757#Comment_118262757

    Would you ever give over with that nonsense



  • #27720
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,674 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    ICU down to 110.

    Close those nightclubs quick.



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  • #27721
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118262758#Comment_118262758

    So what if it is? Going to cause very little issues for the vast majority of the population. I'd be seriously concerned about the cases of cancer and other serious illness we are missing at this point. All about money. The people with private health care will be ok. If you don't have it then you will suffer. No better than America in that regard.



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