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Fly me to the Moon - your 3rd travel Megathread - read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭andrew1977



    Apologies in advance if i have posted this twitter link incorrectly.

    Straight from the "horses mouth " last night when called out about it on Primetime.

    "Still picks up a lot " ... madness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Double cases and you double hospital numbers

    The relationship is linear

    All the signs so far are that Omicron spreads more easily than Delta

    We will have clarity in a few weeks



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    2 points here

    1.This thread is going to have an over proportion of people 'who got the vaccine to travel'

    Ergo it's going to have an over proportion of anger at restrictions like this

    Thats not the norm

    2. The main effect of this restriction covid wise is going to reduce numbers travelling because of either cost or the risk of being stuck abroad positive

    Similar to pre covid cert except travelling isn't fineable

    It might pick up a few cases but very few



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,042 ✭✭✭✭josip


    "But if omicron doubles cases it will double hospital numbers unless there's sufficient numbers boosted"

    There is not yet sufficient evidence that this will be the case.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭Wallander


    For what it's worth, my experience is that professional antigen tests are easy to get aboard. I had two done last summer for travel purposes when not yet vaccinated - in a small Spanish tourist resort and fairly rural part of Poland. I also saw in Berlin last month an entire row of check-in desks at the airport is converted into a Covid testing zone.

    They can be a bit harder to find online in advance of travelling, but ask on the ground and you should have no problems finding them.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,681 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Sadly this is the reality with a lot of restrictions. They know that it will naturally reduce mobility and reduce transmission as a result.

    The same with the panto guidelines. They dont have to make it a rule, they know enough people will heed the advice. (and the government gets out of having to provide financial supports for the industry)



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Our top civil servants earning their pay suggesting these things

    I doubt it's the politicians brainwave!

    On the plus side,it could be worse for travellers, a LOT worse

    A zero covid travel circuit break ala Israel for example followed by MHQ and or a tighter pcr timeline for flights with a +48hr follow up test that needs to be booked in advance of flying home


    Just an antigen now...its nothing if you really want to fly

    (Except for the risk of being stuck abroad)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,553 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Nope you don't. It was laid bare to Donnelly how silly it was last night the very scenario of someone getting a test on a thursday, going to the UK that evening and coming back Saturday and doing what they want over there while getting the test here pre departure. He said yes that's possible, only has to be 48hrs for antigen and 72hrs for PCR. Doesn't matter where it's taken.



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That loophole might close soon I'd say...

    God be with the days only people posting here knew about it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,553 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Doubt it, sounds like it'll be in it when the regulations are signed in. All they care about is the validity of the test in the timeframe. It's window dressing



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I suppose you're right

    Its effective window dressing though as it will deter some travel

    It also gives the appearance of doing something



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 411 ✭✭RunningFlyer


    A lot of comments of people worrying about getting stuck abroad with positive tests.

    I can understand this if there are home/work commitments to be back for but I’ve heard a few people talking about it only from a financial point of view only.

    Worth noting that most travel insurance policies will now cover you for extended stay due to COVID, and even some regions in Spain provide this for free if your insurance doesn’t cover it.

    Ive travelled a few times whilst requiring tests this year and as people have said it’s not as difficult as people are making it out to be. Especially if an antigen test is all that is needed most airports will have a testing centre if you haven’t been able to find one in local pharmacy etc.

    I’m just back from US so no plans to travel in next few weeks but if I did I certainly wouldn’t be cancelling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    I beg your pardon - I assumed where others had posted that last night it was based on information, seeing as taking one here before travelling and therefore putting yourself at risk of catching it is just pointless, but hey, our betters know more than us 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,553 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    It's pointless and it was put at him and he kind of just smiled and nodded without answering the question and then rattled on about being in favour of anitgen tests for a long time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Ten days in one's own home would barely be tolerable. Even a slim chance of having to spend ten days in a hotel room doesn't really bear thinking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    I think that’s exactly the point - people do have family / work commitments. It’s also the run into Christmas. If you’re travelling back after 15th December and happen to test positive, that’s Christmas in Ireland gone. That will put a lot of people off.

    There was a group of 4 of us going away next Thursday to Sunday. Now just two of us are going after yesterday’s announcement. The two that are going will bring our work laptops with us, should we get stuck we can work away where we are, the others don’t have that luxury.

    While doing very little from stopping the import of the virus, it does a massive amount to people’s plans and confidence to travel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭DSN


    And tag on a couple of kids to that mix, never mind missing school/work/family commitments - honestly can see why lots of people cancelling or not booking!

    Now maybe if I young free & single & could work from anywhere might be worth the (TBF tiny) risk for a holiday or weekend away...?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭yoshimitsu


    I understand people are nervous traveling in Covid times but the chances of someone contracting the virus - assuming all reasonable precautions are taken (masks, sanitizer, washing, distance) - and it showing up in a antigen test taken 2 days after arrival on a 4 day trip (or 48hrs before departure) are quite minuscule. You could even take a PCR 72hrs before departure which would leave 1 day to get infected and incubate it sufficiently for it to be detectable.

    Like the example I posted above: the Israeli doctor was at conference in the UK, tested negative pre-departure, tested negative again post-arrival and only tested positive once symptoms came on days later. i understand it's not 100% but very few things are in life are... you could go on a holiday, get kidney stones/appendicitis/hit by a car and have to spend days in a hospital.

    everybody has different risk tolerances but i'd consider a 4 day trip as extremely low risk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,714 ✭✭✭ciaran76


    Anyone know what the wait time is like in Dublin airport for a test?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 TheDuchess


    Can I just confirm if I am flying into Dublin Friday night that I need to have taken an antigen test. On the radio this morning, they said the new rules were coming in at midnight Friday. (I assume they meant 12:01am Friday as opposed to midnight friday night).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    What a joke of a system. You can get an antigen test on a Friday in Ireland, go over and lick every door handle in the UK for the weekend then travel back on the same test.

    We have truly lost the plot. The leadership in this country is toilet material, and that’s a fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭andrew1977


    Correct 12.01am Friday morning, as usual , bad communication by our government departments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭random_banter


    Yeah it's interesting the different risk tolerances. I have been abroad twice since travel was back on the cards, for leisure and for work, did it all safely and didn't manage to pick it up.

    Now that testing is a requirement it's nearly a mental trick to feel like testing positive and being stranded is a foregone conclusion. But that's the point isn't it, to make it so awkward for people that they just don't travel.

    Travelling 12th-18th to France and the partner is now not going with me because can't risk missing work (nor being stranded for Christmas). Not sure if I want to go alone.

    I tried to find the answer to this question - but if you test positive abroad, is it isolation until you test negative and then you can travel, or are you supposed to isolate alone for 10 solid days (regardless if you're negative on day 5, let's say)? Tried to find the rule for France but got nowhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭galwaybabe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020




  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It was always like this. Ever since travel resumed in 2020. People are only just copping on to it as the numbers travelling are higher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    It gets better.

    I was due to be over at the London office from 12-17 December. I did what was asked, got the double vax and my cert. Decided not to chance it as if I was to catch it I’d be stuck in a hotel till Stephen’s Day.

    Brother in law got Covid 3 weeks ago, he’s grand to fly over for the same week (different company) and no test required on return just shows his positive result note as that’s valid for 180 days.

    So although both of us can still get Covid and pass it on, the guy with the double vax and cert has travel restrictions, the one who had Covid 3 weeks ago is happy out

    I’m genuinely starting to think that NPHET and those spoofer in government just pull random restriction out of a hat!

    hopefully when I have to go over in January I’ll pick it up so I get a 6 month travel pass in the form of a positive test result!

    Rant over but still fuming!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    I don't think that's right, he will need an antigen test to get back.

    It would have been fine to show a recovery test before yesterday's update but now you need an antigen test if you're vaccinated or recovered.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



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