Nope you don't. It was laid bare to Donnelly how silly it was last night the very scenario of someone getting a test on a thursday, going to the UK that evening and coming back Saturday and doing what they want over there while getting the test here pre departure. He said yes that's possible, only has to be 48hrs for antigen and 72hrs for PCR. Doesn't matter where it's taken.
Our top civil servants earning their pay suggesting these things
I doubt it's the politicians brainwave!
On the plus side,it could be worse for travellers, a LOT worse
A zero covid travel circuit break ala Israel for example followed by MHQ and or a tighter pcr timeline for flights with a +48hr follow up test that needs to be booked in advance of flying home
Just an antigen now...its nothing if you really want to fly
(Except for the risk of being stuck abroad)
Sadly this is the reality with a lot of restrictions. They know that it will naturally reduce mobility and reduce transmission as a result.
The same with the panto guidelines. They dont have to make it a rule, they know enough people will heed the advice. (and the government gets out of having to provide financial supports for the industry)
For what it's worth, my experience is that professional antigen tests are easy to get aboard. I had two done last summer for travel purposes when not yet vaccinated - in a small Spanish tourist resort and fairly rural part of Poland. I also saw in Berlin last month an entire row of check-in desks at the airport is converted into a Covid testing zone.
They can be a bit harder to find online in advance of travelling, but ask on the ground and you should have no problems finding them.
"But if omicron doubles cases it will double hospital numbers unless there's sufficient numbers boosted"
There is not yet sufficient evidence that this will be the case.
2 points here
1.This thread is going to have an over proportion of people 'who got the vaccine to travel'
Ergo it's going to have an over proportion of anger at restrictions like this
Thats not the norm
2. The main effect of this restriction covid wise is going to reduce numbers travelling because of either cost or the risk of being stuck abroad positive
Similar to pre covid cert except travelling isn't fineable
It might pick up a few cases but very few
Double cases and you double hospital numbers
The relationship is linear
All the signs so far are that Omicron spreads more easily than Delta
We will have clarity in a few weeks
US might be going down a quite severe path.
Apologies in advance if i have posted this twitter link incorrectly.
Straight from the "horses mouth " last night when called out about it on Primetime.
"Still picks up a lot " ... madness.
I really can't understand this nonsense. I've no issue following sensible restrictions but this kind of stuff is comical. I'm really getting fed up at this stage with all this.
Interesting article overall on Omicron from a country that is well advanced with high vaccine/booster penetration. But this quote caught my eye:
'Two cardiologists from Sheba Medical Center were verified as infected with the Omicron variant, a spokesperson for the hospital confirmed. He said they were experiencing “very light symptoms.”
One of the doctors, in his 50s, brought the variant into Israel upon returning from a medical conference in London. He tested negative when he boarded the airplane from the United Kingdom to Israel and on arrival, but a few days later began experiencing symptoms.
Once he tested positive, his results were sequenced and on Tuesday he was confirmed positive for the variant.'
Goes to show that pre-departure/post-arrival testing is not a a particularly effective measure against importing the virus from other geographies. The important point is that vaccines do work in preventing serious illnesses 'Pfizer vaccine is just slightly less effective in preventing infection with Omicron than with Delta – 90% as opposed to 95% – while it is as effective – around 93% – in preventing serious symptoms at least for those vaccinated with a booster' (source: same article)
my 2 cents:
I also got the vaccine primarily for traveling without hassles/costs. It is a pain to have to get the booster and it is a sign that these vaccines are not the panacea we were led to believe a year ago. But without doubt, beats having more draconian travel restrictions like we had Jan-July this year (fines, hotel quarantine, news crews chasing tourists at airports).
I got 2 inoculations of the Pfizer super juice, I dont see the logic in not getting a third one honestly. Also because, where I travel to (mainly Italy/Spain) you'll need proof of it to do pretty much anything social while you're there (restaurants, public transport, coffee shops, amusement parks, cinemas)!
What I'll likely do is time my booster so that it'll cover me for mid-term/Easter and summer holidays. If it becomes a once per year affair, I can live that.
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Initial signs aren't saying hospitals are going to be overrun or anything else as of yet ,so a bit of perspective on your behalf is needed also
This has not been 100% clarified.
Darragh O'Brien said it's possible to get tested in Ireland before you fly, travel abroad and return to Ireland with negative antigen test on arrival.
Makes no sense but nowhere is it confirmed travellers will have to get the test in the country they're returning from unless I missed something.
you have to get the test in the country you’re returning from I’m afraid.
With all due respect, please get a sense of perspective
I don't like these restrictions
But if omicron doubles cases it will double hospital numbers unless there's sufficient numbers boosted
That will over run hospitals even if 90% only ever have a cold from it
Over run your hospitals and you are in trouble if you are dependent on the public system for any non covid illness that should have you in hospital
It is serious versus the inconvenience of antigen tests masks etc
If people don't get that,think again
If you still don't get it,most people do thankfully
We will know in a few weeks if omicron can cause these problems
Initial signs are that it can
In which case acting early saves things being worse later
Yup, if we're going to freak out about that much deaths, we'd be banning everyone from driving.
You can request a covid recovery cert after 11 days, I don't know if this is what they are looking for as it is as clear as mud, but this is probably the best you can get
https://www.covidcertificateportal.gov.ie/en-US/issue-recovery-cert/
any idea how to prove you were positive? Obviously have the HSE text confirming it but I doubt they’d take that
It's going to get a lot worse it seems.
Biden is essentially looking to close the USA again after just a month open.
Hopefully these measures don't get passed until next week at the earliest. I definitely made the right decision moving my trip back from January to Saturday - at least I have a chance. USA going to be out of bounds for a few months I expect.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/30/omicron-stricter-travel-rules-us-entry/
24 hours hotel isolation with Nathan Carter playing on a loop.
A good bit less cost though, €29 versus €69 with GoSafe.
That’ll be grand, the test can be from anywhere.
So Canada **** the bed as well and puts in a test for when we land as well, this goes along with the test we need before we leave.
What in the name of god are they at? Why bother with the vaccines if we have to test all over the shop for when we travel?
My blood is boiling
I'm getting a train from France to Luxembourg for a flight home, there's no time for a test in Luxembourg, they're gonna be fecking take the French one
Ah Christ, I give up. 😎🤣😜
A positive PCR test if at least 11 days old, and no older than 180 days old is valid for entering Ireland.
Only if you also are positive on a test more recently.
Or simply put,
You can rely on the fact if you test positive over 11 days ago, you are no longer a threat, but you may still fail a test.
Here is where the stupidity comes in, you cannot use this as proof, until you show.that you test positive still on an antigen or PCR within 48 hours
am I missing something here. How is a positive RT-PCR test result = acceptable.
acceptable for what?
Not correct,
They will look for your original positive test proving it was over 10 days ago
situations where a person is required to present evidence of a negative ('not detected') RT-PCR test result prior to travel, and is unable to do so due to a persistently positive RT-PCR test after recovery, then a positive RT-PCR test result will be acceptable which was taken no less than 11 days and no more than 180 days prior to arrival to the State.
if you test positive again, I guess you simply won’t be allowed on the plane. What other way could it be.
Yes, I've since researched and the below is from the gov website, you will need to do an antigen or PCR, if you're positive, only then will they rely on your original proof that your safe after 10 days.
Utter farce
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