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Schools and Covid 19 (part 5) **Mod warnings in OP**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭ tscul32


    My youngest was just gone 8 when covid arrived and when masks came in he wore one too (the others are older so had to wear one anyway). The only place he didn't wear one was at school and that's where he caught covid last month. All my friends' and relatives' kids have worn masks all along and it's no big deal to them. My lad wore one to school yesterday.

    But one of the teachers I was speaking to doesnt think it'll stop the child to child spread as they'll still be eating together without the masks and I don't think they'll have to wear them outside and they're all in each other's faces there anyway. But maybe it'll keep the staff safer?



  • Registered Users Posts: 554 ✭✭✭ MSVforever


    Primary school kids had to deal with enough crap over the last 18 month. They're clearly not much at risk getting seriously ill from Covid so they should be left alone.

    Parents are still protected from the vaccine and their grandparents can avail of booster shots so I don't see the point to go after young kids now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭ tscul32


    Vaccines and boosters aren't stopping people getting it from kids.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 Aleppo_rex


    I wonder are your anxieties being passed onto your children, who look to you to see how to behave.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 554 ✭✭✭ MSVforever




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,426 ✭✭✭ SusanC10


    25 kids in my daughter's class (6th). Yesterday, 21 out of the 23 present were wearing Masks in the classroom.

    Daughter delighted not to be in the minority anymore as previously only 3 including her wore them.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭ shesty


    The Government are only suggesting it too, it would appear.Feel sorry for schools, how do you enforce that.And it wrong, 21 months in and 90% vaccinated, too late to be starting into this nonsense.I honestly don't see how it will do anything anyway



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭ History Queen


    Second level teachers and principals are already enforcing mask wearing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭ sekond


    I'm trying to figure out whether the recommendation will apply to after school care/breakfast clubs also. If it does, that's 7.45am to 5.45pm for my daughter wearing a mask (on her longest days there - most days are shorter). That's an awful lot - and that's before we deal with the glasses fogging issue and the fact that she mumbles at the best of times and is reluctant enough to speak up in class, so probably won't at all if she can't be heard properly. I'll send her in with a mask if that's what is requested/required because being an exception would upset her more, but it's going to be a long 4 weeks between now and the Christmas holidays.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭ bladespin


    Yes to a certain degree but it that their role? Also, it's a lot easier to enforce in a secondary setting that it would be in primary.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭ History Queen


    What do you mean to a certain degree and ease of enforcement is debatable



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭ bladespin


    I mean, should it be down to the teachers to enforce in the first place?

    Also, how can you really enforce it? You can't deny a child education based on their willingness to wear a mask, It's a recommendation at the moment so the decision is left open.

    There's also the fact that teachers have been repeatedly told that it's safe to work in a classroom with 'unmasked' children, now that's being challenged, have the board been putting teachers into a dangerous work environment for the past year?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭ History Queen


    If it's a school rule you enforce it like any other. Teachers and students have been working in unsafe conditions in terms of covid transmission.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭ bladespin


    I think the teachers are being scapegoated through this, I feel for them, despite all the concerns they were assured it was safe time and again, now something has changed???

    It's not a rule though and it's certainly not like any other rule that I'm aware of, it's cruel and it shouldn't be down to the teacher to enforce.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭ bladespin


    I'm not making it out to be a big issue, just stating that it shouldn't be down to the teacher to enforce such a silly thing, especially if the government won't actually back them up by making it a requirement instead of a recommendation, again they're being hung out. There's also very little to demonstrate that it would actually mitigate against the spread either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭ History Queen


    Most of the issues you highlight re lunches,PE, SEN exemption etc are already dealt with at second level. I assume primary will follow suit. I'm unaware of any child being denied their education for not wearing a mask properly. Are you?


    I find your language very emotive, you are obviously greatly concerned. I also fear you are ignorant of the affect of the current covid situation in schools as you seem very concerned about loss of education yet don't approve of a factor that can help students miss LESS education by lessening their chance of catching covid and their teacher's chance. SEN students are currently bearing the brunt of this impact on their education due to the reprehensible decison to use their resource teachers as sub cover. Why is no one concerned about this deniel of education?


    I am interested to hear how mask wearing correlates with longer wait times for SLT assessment and diagnosis? I don't see the link.



  • Registered Users Posts: 800 ✭✭✭ FTB2021


    The big issue currently is that contact tracing was stopped. NPHET won’t be seen to be wrong and won’t rectify this, so different measures instead to spare Nolan’s blushes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭ History Queen


    Masks work to mitigate spread. Mitigating spread helps EVERYONE, students included. I'm not aware of the link between mask wearing and increased need for SLT intervention. I'll read up. Regardless, to pitch this as some sort of "save us from the children" measure is disingenuous. Masks are categorically proven to decrease viral load and thereby impact transmission. Covid incidence in primary school age children is disproportionately high. Wearing masks to help mitigate some of this makes sense. It's not as catastrophic as some are suggesting.


    https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0924-school-masking.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 389 ✭✭ Vaccinated30


    My kids will not be wearing a mask. Lets be clear, catching covid is not as catastrophic as its suggested. Nobody is trying to stop the spread, there will always be spread. Also, I do not care if my kids catch covid. I do not care if they spread it to vaccinated people. I do not care about anyone outside the people in my 4 walls.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,702 ✭✭✭✭ namloc1980




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