Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

phog · 30-11-2021 10:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243887#Comment_118243887

So what is the limit you'd accept for injury cover? BTW, clubs have brought in more than props for injury cover.

aloooof · 30-11-2021 10:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243612#Comment_118243612

To be fair awec, I think the best you can say is that you think Munster should forfeit. If loans are sanctioned / allowed and it's all within the rules, then they don't need to forfeit.

We'll see what way it plays out, but if that happens, my view wouldn't be a million miles from yours, tho.

Former Former Former · 30-11-2021 10:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243878#Comment_118243878

Assuming the players would be cup tied

This is a big issue. You not only need to grant Munster dispensation to play these guys but also give their own clubs dispensation to use them at a later date.

I honestly can't see the Wasps game happening. We'll have to forfeit it.

Eod100 · 30-11-2021 10:47AM

Is there any risk that an understrength team could lose by more than 28-0? Or it better to play to have chance of doing better rather than a definite 28-0? Guess ball is in EPCR's court in terms of registering players. Would be unfair if they can't contest but it's a tricky situation

aloooof · 30-11-2021 10:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243939#Comment_118243939

We?? ;)

Eod100 · 30-11-2021 10:51AM

The only slight silver lining if it's cancelled is at least it wasn't a home fixture and lost ticket revenue but could affect Castres game at this rate.

Cookiemunster · 30-11-2021 10:53AM

Anyways, the latest update confirms the 9 further cases (players and staff). Those who tested negative are free to trave home (no mention of close contacts needing to stay behind), but another round of tests have been done anyway as a precaution.

Hopefully they are no more positives and those 38 can travel home this week.

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2021/11/30/update-from-cape-town/#post

awec · 30-11-2021 10:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243913#Comment_118243913

10 days from the test, or 10 days from symptoms showing if you have symptoms. I think?

Eod100 · 30-11-2021 11:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244012#Comment_118244012

Yeah think that's right actually

Former Former Former · 30-11-2021 11:15AM

It would seem slightly bonkers that you can test negative, but be a close contact of a guy who tests positive, and still get on a plane.

Akrasia · 30-11-2021 11:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243890#Comment_118243890

Munster will follow the rules, if we can field a team in a safe way that complies with the rules, we will do so. If we have to forfeit the match, then so be it.

The EPCR allow for medical joker replacements. We might need a prop or hooker or two to cover for the unavailable players, I'm sure Munster in association with the IRFU are working behind the scenes to source these players either from Ireland, or elsewhere

Remember, the IRFU own all 4 provinces, it is in their financial interest that Munster do well in Europe, and also in their interest that young promising players get experience at the highest possible level especially in key positions the front row

Akrasia · 30-11-2021 11:19AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243923#Comment_118243923

I think you need to have a matchday squad of 27 players under the EPCR rules - 23 + 4 emergency backups, which have to include a hooker and cover for the 2 front row props

Quin_Dub · 30-11-2021 11:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244012#Comment_118244012

And all those flying home have to isolate for ten days no matter what anyway when they arrive ,so if they arrive home tomorrow morning for example they won't be able to go anywhere until the 10th/11th

So basically - If they fly home tonight , they isolate in Kildare until the 10th/11th and then fly straight to UK where they'll meet up with the other squad members and maybe get a 1hr "Captains run" before the game on the 12th.

And that's before you get into which players/positions you have cover for etc.

Also , based on the latest updates we now have 10 positive cases

That's a very high % - 48 people in the group , so a rate of over 20% positives (so far) among a group that are almost all vaccinated.

If that is in any way indicative of the virulence of this new Omicron variant , that is not good at all.

Cookiemunster · 30-11-2021 11:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244143#Comment_118244143

You don't need 27 players. From the competition rules.

3.2 A club must nominate a squad of between 19 and 23 players for each match.

3.3 A minimum of six front row players must be included in each match day squad such that on the first occasion that a replacement is required in each position, a replacement can be made. Where uncontested scrums are ordered due to the departure of a front row player and there is no suitable replacement, the player whose departure caused the uncontested scrums may not be replaced (i.e. the club will be required to play with 14 players).

Eod100 · 30-11-2021 11:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244120#Comment_118244120

Yeah know latest here is the 5 days and doing antigen test if a household close contact. Not sure does saying in same hotel count but you'd think it would if someone was rooming with positive case sat

Akrasia · 30-11-2021 11:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244170#Comment_118244170

Yeah, this strain seems to very contagious. Hopefully the vaccine works to limit symptoms to mild/asymptomatic, because it doesn't seem to be doing much to prevent it from spreading, at least in the very early stages of infection

irelandrover · 30-11-2021 11:32AM

If the shoe was on the other foot and it was an Irish provinces having to play another team I am sure everyone would be calling for that team to forfeit the game and hand the points to the Irish team. Can't have it both ways

I think I'd rather play a game than get a walkover. And to be honest if we lost to a team who were using the 4th choice props from another team then there'd be no complaints.

Actually, there would be a lot of complaints. But they would all focus on how terrible Munster had played. And obviously how the ref screwed us over.

Cookiemunster · 30-11-2021 11:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244120#Comment_118244120

SA rules obviously differ from ours. That why Munster are doing more tests even though those who are negative are allowed to travel.

awec · 30-11-2021 11:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244213#Comment_118244213

I think I read something yesterday that so far Omicron seems to present as very mild symptoms (cold-like) mostly in younger people.

phog · 30-11-2021 11:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244120#Comment_118244120

We (Ireland) currently allow Health Care workers attend work if they are close contacts of someone who tested positive.

Buer · 30-11-2021 11:52AM

I'd be very surprised if Munster forfeit. They have the bulk of a match day squad training together right now which features their 7 or 8 of their best players.

Murray Kinsella posted a proposed team which only had gaps at prop and openside. Surely they can fill these spots from the AIL rather than forfeit a game? There are multiple guys in the AIL with provincial experience. Jordan Coghlan played last weekend. Clive Ross is an experienced flanker in the AIL with over 50 provincial appearances for Ulster. Kyle McCall is a tighthead who was at Ulster for years before being released in the summer. He's playing in D1 of the AIL every week.

There are options there for Munster. Far from ideal but they can play the fixture and field a decent team.

aloooof · 30-11-2021 11:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244332#Comment_118244332

The team for those who missed it. Having that 9-10-12 could be important, brilliant opportunity for Murray and particularly Joey to manage us through a big game.

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1465371775462780939

kippy · 30-11-2021 12:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244170#Comment_118244170

Has there been confirmation is is the Omicron variant? I don't think so......

Just because they are in SA, doesn't mean it is this new variant.

As anyone will tell you, the virus (any variant) will transmit easily in enclosed spaces with recirculated air (planes) and rooms etc.

30-11-2021 12:06PM

Surely AIL props rather than loanees from other provinces would cause less headaches? They could still compete, Wasps are muck.

jacothelad · 30-11-2021 12:07PM

Ulster could spare Gareth Milosinivitch.

phog · 30-11-2021 12:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244424#Comment_118244424

One, AIL players may not get released from their day job/college to train/travel.

Two, can they/Munster get insurance for playing them in a professional tournament?

jacothelad · 30-11-2021 12:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244422#Comment_118244422

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30-11-2021 12:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244464#Comment_118244464

Aside from props they'd be fine i could see props being an insurance issue. It'd be a hard boss wouldn't give you two weeks leave for the chance to play for munster.

Quin_Dub · 30-11-2021 12:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244422#Comment_118244422

Fair point , it still seems a really high transmission rate though..

Regardless , hope they all remain safe and well and get home as soon as possible.

At this stage given the isolation rules in SA and Ireland on their return, they are looking at 20 days in isolation at least.

phog · 30-11-2021 12:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244533#Comment_118244533

You're being a bit nostalgic there and we live in a claim culture hence why insurance is so expensive in Ireland.

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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