Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

aloooof · 29-11-2021 02:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118239170#Comment_118239170

To be fair, FFF, I asked at the very beginning if you didn't believe the IRFU figure. The answer you gave suggested you did, but that the IRFU were deliberately being vague including players, coaches and support staff. The reason I spelled out the numbers is because I didn't think you understood the scale of the support staff that would necessitate.

And that indeed is a very different statistic. But the IRFU didn't include any such qualifications.

"The IRFU confirm that the current vaccination rate across our professional team structures which includes players, coaches and support staff is 99.2%. This includes a small number of people who are awaiting a second dose."

I'm not taking it personally, but just don't see any reason not to believe the IRFU statement, tbh. Anything beyond that is conjecture at best, and conspiracy theory stuff at worst. If you had admitted at the beginning you were skeptical about IRFU figure, you'd have saved me a spreadsheet at least ;)

Red Silurian · 29-11-2021 03:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118240069#Comment_118240069

Good news all around, pity they have to isolate in Kildare of all places but it could be a lot worse and it looks like the European games won't be affected most importantly

phog · 29-11-2021 03:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118240069#Comment_118240069

I wonder will the this group train separately from the squad members that were remained at home and who are currently under the watch of Ian Costello.

Better than nothing but hardly ideal prep for a H/C game.

Red Silurian · 29-11-2021 03:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118240493#Comment_118240493

Squeaky bum time

phog · 30-11-2021 08:46AM

The42 are saying Munster are set t be hit for new cases of Covid, up to nine new cases in the group are expected to be confirmed today.

They also say all those tested positive and their close contacts will have to stay on in SA.

Cookiemunster · 30-11-2021 08:49AM

Well lets hope we get the go ahead from the EPCR to bring in emergency loans players so. A patchwork side will be needed for both the Wasps and Castres games.

Gwan Cossie and the lads.

30-11-2021 09:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243383#Comment_118243383

You'd hope they would be flexible given the circumstances but where will Munster even get loan players from at this stage? Match is in less than 2 weeks.

lawrencesummers · 30-11-2021 09:22AM

Time to put the SA experiment on hold for a while. If they want to continue let then fly up here.

Its not reasonable expecting teams to travel there when you consider the impact it can have on their entire season.

Cookiemunster · 30-11-2021 09:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243484#Comment_118243484

There were rumours yesterday that they've got potential loans lined up from the other provinces. Even if they come about it's going to be a pretty green front row going into a European game.

Former Former Former · 30-11-2021 09:30AM

If they have another nine positive cases today, then more will inevitably follow.

This is going to affect the Castres game too.

awec · 30-11-2021 09:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243552#Comment_118243552

I have to say, if I were Wasps I'd be livid if the IRFU parachute in players from their other teams to play for Munster. That would be some farce.

Either Munster need to fulfill the game with their own players or they need to forfeit it.

30-11-2021 09:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243612#Comment_118243612

Once it's within the rules of the competition, Munster can do what they want and Wasps (and Leinster) fans can suck it up.

Cookiemunster · 30-11-2021 09:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243612#Comment_118243612

Maybe you should climb down off that high horse. It wouldn't be the IRFU parachuting players in. URC, PRL and LNR all have to agree to Munster getting an exemption. The provinces would just be the only source for those players, who most likely being academy and 3rd/4th choice players, wouldn't exactly be a worry to Wasps compared to playing Munsters first team.

And I doubt Wasps would be livid. Do you think they want to be down the ticket and hospitality money from probably one of their largest attendances of the season?

awec · 30-11-2021 09:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243655#Comment_118243655

Of course it's parachuting players in. It's a daft notion. It is literally bringing in players from other clubs owned by the same entity, players outside of Munster's European squad. If that is not parachuting players in then what is?

Either Munster need to play the game or Munster need to forfeit it. It can't turn into Wasps vs Munster/Leinster/Ulster/Connacht, if there is any scenario that destroys the integrity of the competition then this is it.

Red Silurian · 30-11-2021 10:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243655#Comment_118243655

They haven't been granted the exemption yet but I see no reason why anybody would oppose it for financial reasons alone

Munster will be going over as severe underdogs but that is when we tend to pull rabbits out of hats so I'd like to see it

lawrencesummers · 30-11-2021 10:04AM

The problem with parachuting in players is that you have to give an exemption that they wont be cup tied, and thats a bit of a farce.

Without that If your a third choice player in a club and for 80 minutes of rugby your entire opportunity in that competition is wiped out then why would you be bothered, your only an injury away from opportunity and its early in the season for that.

There is also the issue of player welfare and ensuring players are physically able for such a challenge.

If your munster you dont want to give a copy of your playbook to every club either.

This is a farce of the competition organisers making by having teams travel to a volatile area for matches and they need to make amends for that.

Im surprised more people dont see it that way but i guess some people are using it as an opportunity to put the boot in.

I wonder if this happened Leinster on their trip to SA preceding that Champions cup knockouts would people have the same attitude.

slingerz · 30-11-2021 10:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243711#Comment_118243711

Severe underdogs with Kilcoyne, Beirne, O'Mahony, Murray, Carbery, Earls, De Allende and Conway. Possibly Chris Farrell & Roman Salaona too.

With positive cases allowed for, they should have plenty options save for specialist positions. Also, is the option there to recall McHenry from Wasps?

Cookiemunster · 30-11-2021 10:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243699#Comment_118243699

If the EPCR decide that it's allowed then that's what will happen. All three leagues have to agree before this could even happen.

You'd swear the way you're going on that this is an issue of Munsters making. They are totally blameless in this.

The EPCR want the game to go ahead to avoid the farce from last season of mass walkovers. That affects the integrity of the tournament a lot more than Munster getting few front rows in to fulfil a few fixtures. And it will be more than the Wasps game as there no way the majority of the squad is returning to Ireland this week.

PMC83 · 30-11-2021 10:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243731#Comment_118243731

Hang on now, Munster definitely don't have a play book

sydthebeat · 30-11-2021 10:24AM

Two mentions already of "leinster".. One suggesting leinster fans should suck it up, and the other saying "how would leinster like it"..

Talk about rent free!!

As far as I've seen on this subject no leinster fan has said anything other than they feel for munster and their players

aloooof · 30-11-2021 10:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243824#Comment_118243824

Ah you can't really count Lawrence, in the same we we don't count Richie. ;)

phog · 30-11-2021 10:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243699#Comment_118243699

Players have been loaned out to clubs for yonks, what's new with this one? I know this is different as it's not an injury cover but it's certainly a player welfare cover.

The reason this will look like players from the IRFU is that is the obvious choice from a travel and work permits pov. I'm sure if Munster was an English club the chances are cover would come from within England, if it was a French club, cover would come from within France, etc, etc, etc.

sydthebeat · 30-11-2021 10:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243839#Comment_118243839

Touche :D

Blue4u · 30-11-2021 10:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243731#Comment_118243731

The rules are the rules. As Toulon found out last year so no idea why Leinster need to be mentioned.

ROG done an interview last year and explained the process, the option was either for no Champions Cup or every team accepted the new rules. If a fixture is not able to be fulfilled then the club which is affected forfeit the game, the other side get a bonus point victory.

It doesn't matter which team are involved it's the same for everyone.

In regards to the URC sending player to SA, well from what I heard the issue was not a problem prior to the teams flying down and only became one after they arrived. According to a SA fan on a forum he mentioned that an Indian cricket team is in SA and the game goes ahead to play against a SA cricket team.

If the shoe was on the other foot and it was an Irish provinces having to play another team I am sure everyone would be calling for that team to forfeit the game and hand the points to the Irish team. Can't have it both ways

arsebiscuits1 · 30-11-2021 10:33AM

Assuming the players would be cup tied then who would the other provinces be willing to send down?

I don't think any of the provinces have sufficient depth to send down any props for example that would leave them satisfactorily covered in case of last minute injuries in their own fixtures

Red Silurian · 30-11-2021 10:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243771#Comment_118243771

Yes, the team that lost to ospreys are definitely underdogs against wasps

awec · 30-11-2021 10:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243848#Comment_118243848

Clubs have brought in emergency props when needed etc. The difference here is you are talking about quite a few players being parachuted in.

awec · 30-11-2021 10:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243772#Comment_118243772

Munster being blameless (Which they are) is of no consequence whatsoever. It is an irrelevance.

Eod100 · 30-11-2021 10:39AM

Is it 10 days from positive test they will have to stay in SA?

phog · 30-11-2021 10:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243878#Comment_118243878

For Munster to field a team I think they need a minimum of 19 players, 6 of whom are front row players. I'm making an assumption here but I think Munster require players to fulfill the basic requirements so they can at least field a team. They're not looking for 1st or 2nd choice players to come from another club.

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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